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read some of the archived threads geez. horse, flog, dead, a, to. jumble these three words to guess the phrase!!
a fishing forum equivalent to lighting the touch paper and running for cover!
;-)
**sam**
TrampBoy
26-02-2001, 13:20
Look if some big name carp anglerscant catch a proper British carp at a water that requires some skill who cares. (Oh yeah MOST OF US)
Nic B keepin it real Keepin it British
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BLANKSTER
26-02-2001, 13:46
Read Februarys carp Leader in carp world , i think it says it all.
For about the 4th time..... A British Carp is reared in this country, it can be an import as long as it is a fingerling.... any carp that has been brought up here lets say is classified as British... the thing "Keeping it Real" is against is the large influx of "large" imported fish into this country and then "classified as British" Does that answer your question?
Tony
Rivercarper
26-02-2001, 19:00
Bored with this thread all ready.Samp the defintion of english carp is on the Keep it real thread in general carp Board.The same as me.
John, it's not the point of being bored with the subject of British Carp it is the boredom of having to post the same answes over & over again.
Tony
Sorry ugly,
can you translate that as you lost me mate!!
Tony
jimshelley
27-02-2001, 22:27
hi,
just catch em and hold him up, that proper boy"carp"is wot its all about ,wot ever size there all special.no jokes just proper angling at its best.
KEEP IT REAL"british".
jim shelley.
DarrenWilson
28-02-2001, 01:23
I think what Jim is trying to say is that any 100% British carp is special regardless of size.
Darren Wilson
Co-Webmaster
The Carpers Lodge
jimshelley
28-02-2001, 07:31
hi,
cheers darren, all proper ones are special wot ever the size !!.
jim shelley
keeping it real ,!E.C.H.O.".
TrampBoy
28-02-2001, 09:25
If its English then its good enough for me and so should be for anyone else if it tugs and its English its worth every ounce of effort i put in to catching it.
Keep it real Keep it British
Must say I think catching a fish grown in a stock pond to 15lbs+ is no more of an achievement that catching a foreign fish. Disease issue apart - these fish are just as easy to catch first few times as any foreign fish. I think it's a bizzare argument myself!
Can of worms mike, be careful????
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If english fish are reared in stock ponds to over 15lb, then stocked. They still have a lot of growing to do and it is inevitable that they will get caught a good number of times before they reach their full potential. Thus making them difficult to catch once they do reach full size. Whereas a monster imported from abroad wouldn't need any time to grow on further, it would already be a valid size. This large fish would be as easy to catch as the 15 pounder when it was first stocked. At least for a good few years anyway!!! This enables youngsters to go catch the fish of their dreams (size wise!) in no time at all, now what kind of learning curve is that!!! A very short, steep one me thinks!! Then the kid thinks he knows it all and attempts to fish a different water with a smaller stamp of 'English' fish. He then finds it incredibly difficult and ends up selling all his gear and packing it in all together!! Not a good thing!
Just out of interest, if we are talking about "ILLEGAL" imports and we know that somebody has brought an illegal fish into the country, then why doens't someone shop them to the relevant authorities?
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15lbs - an insignificant fish?? and angling aside a 15lb carp is pretty much predator proof - certainly in comparison to a fry fish or a fish under 2 or 3 lbs. The prinicple and the reasoning is the same. Stock a lake with double/20s to attract more anglers. Stock a lake with foreign fish - again to attract more anglers. There is no difference in either approach in my opinion not discrediting either policy. Needless to say I think a lot of people need to alter their attitude just a tad, while they sit there smuggly after catching a 20lb fish that was living in stock pond only a year or so before !
TrampBoy
28-02-2001, 15:23
Mike you seem to missunderstand me Its an English Carp and will kep our heritage going genrally a 15lb English Carp will one day be a big ENGLISH CARP a French carp will allways be a French Carp. Mike and hopefully you like evry one else fishes for pleasure cors you would rather catch one of the big boyzes but i Know Id rather catch a 15 than nothing atall. I Know lots of fisherman that fish the rock ard waters that would kill for Any carp..
Keep IT REAL KEEP it BRITISH
I understand. However there is no extra merit in catching a carp that has been fed up on pellets and dumped in a lake than one that has been imported. It's the same as taking a british reared 10lb trout and dumping that in a lake! like i said - i don't have a problem at all with that. But it is no different from stocking a legit fish from abroad.
If people want to fish for imported fish then let them.
It's nigh on impossible to stop the influx of these fish, it's a great shame, but thats life.
Let's just give credit to those people who target and catch English fish. Targets like Mary, Bazil etc are real prizes and always will be.
Miller.
jimshelley
28-02-2001, 20:48
samp,
that blokes a f....n joke .if you go back in time and read a big carp mag and look at wot he wrote about fish stockings ,you woundnt believe it .MONEY I EXSPECT.
JIM SHELLEY
KEEPING IT BRITISH,"e.c.h.o.".
I caught a 15lb wild carp once, it would put all the boilie fed lumps to shame for looks and sheer power.... A wild carp is my ploy..... but I am not a Carp angler and to me size does not matter. It seems that everyone is size orientated when it comes to Carp.. A 10 - 15lb fish caught on lightish tackle gives me more of a thrill thyan a 30+ caught on a 3 1/2lb TC rod .
Tony
jimshelley
28-02-2001, 22:30
hi,
six doubles aint big mate ,but loads of fun .15 hours over night 2 weeks ago.
jim shelley
keeping it small.
TrampBoy
01-03-2001, 08:47
Mate same with me you Know what they say neva meet your heros (or meet people that know him) I 2 was dissapointed but im glad i found out he was a sell out keep it real
Sorry samp,I think it was the A Mail he sued,If memory serves me correctly ,He was awarded 152.000 damages and it was because he was acused of fish theft.
TrampBoy
01-03-2001, 17:01
Yeh totally true mate I should of said HERO not plural ive met most of them to and there all pucka geezers and only 2 willing to helpRock on uncle Jimothy
Keep It REAL Keep it BRITISH
and BE LUCKY
I think pendantic is preferable to purile
I cant really understand why some people are defending fishing for illegal imports.
As far as Im concerned I couldnt care less how big my fish was as long as it a proper un. Id rather catch a 1lb English carp than a 50lb import. Saying that, that doesnt mean I dont like french carp, theres nothing wrong with fishing for them....In France!
Why dont we follow mr carp on his journey to an English lake from across the channel, so we can see just how bad the situation is.
First of all mr carp is swimming around happily in some huge French or Belgian lake covering 100s of acres. Next thing he knows, hes been netted by some thiefs and stuck in a small tank probably suited for large goldfish, in the back of a lorry. A few of his mates are also in tanks in the same lorry.
As the journey progresses, mr carp gets rather stressed because he doesnt have much oxygen and also the inconciderate poacher has left the screws on the lid of the tank poking in the tank, and every time the lorry hits a bump, the fish is jolted onto the screws, leaving big sores and stab wounds in him.
Finally, mr carp arrives at dover, not in the best of moods or conditions, but at least he is alive which is much better off than the rest of his mates who ended up in the dustbin in Dover.
Eventually he arrives at a lake, one 20th of the size of his home in France. After he is put in, he gets to know a few of the lakes residents. He meets all 26 of the other 40s and 50s and the 100 30s int the lake along with the hundreds of 20s..
He also meets the last remaining English fish in there and they arent too happy about their French cousins coming over. Apparently they had spread a disease to all the English fish and they couldnt cope with it and most of them died off.
The fishery owners are also getting rather annoyed because the lake wont do a record. The problem is the lake is too crowded and the fish can hardly move, let alone grow. So the fishery owners get a couple of fish at 56 pounds, sure to do the record.
Meanwhile mr carp is getting rather stressed. Lately he keeps gettimg caught as there is no natural food for him to eat. The trouble is all the kids that catch him arent used to holding 40s and keep dropping him on the gravel, they dont even have a mat to drop him on.
How can anyone say what is happining is ok?
Thats got to be the longest post Ive ever done!
Very touching Yappi...... a bit over exagerated but to the point. Money makes the world go round and if there is money in it people will do it, no matter what it is. The customs are only interested in people being smuggled over because it is a government issue you see.... so Yappi... if thats the case with a fish being taken out of a 100 acre lake into a 20 acre lake do you dissagree with moving Carp from one water to another? Say from Wraysbury to The north Lake for instance?
Same thing different angle
Tony
CarponlineEditor
01-03-2001, 20:54
Slightly different again here but I wondered how LEGALLY imported carp are transported as I cant see a prospective purchaser wanting fish that have turned up damaged in the way mentioned above????
Andy
No problem with that scorpio, theres only about 12 fish in the North so theres plenty of space for a few more carp although I dont really agree with fish moving its ok to me if it is done properly but I dont agree with these illegal imports from France etc or legal for that matter, they can still spread disease and take the skill out of catching big fish (although that isnt really the main reason I am against imports)
Keep it real
Its proably been said before but its greed and ignorance that make certain fishery owners do this.
The trouble is the anglers are just as bad because they are the ones who pay lots of money to catch these fish and make fishery owners want to import fish. I we didnt fish for them, there would be no reason for people to import carp.
There's a few more than 12 fish in the North mate. Try 30 or 40 and you'll be a bit closer!
30 or 40??
Where did they come from??
Stockies???
Yep. Pad lake, Split lake etc.
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