Why A Syndicate

[scorpio]

Can any tell me why parts of the RMC venues turn into syndicates? Is this for more money or is it to curb numbers of anglers. I was quite put out when a Part of Yately and Sutton 2 became syndicate waters as I fish for mainly specimen fish of all sorts and not carp and found that fishing a lake that is predominantly fished by carp anglers produces lovely other species which are not normally fished for. I was unfortunately priced out of the martket. It seems to me where the big carp lie you have to be pretty rich to be able to afford to fish these places. I can see all the Carp anglers who cannot afford the Syndicate tickets being more cheesed off than me.

[Rivercarper]

Thats why I first mentioned the Copse being stocked with good Bream Tench,Roach Perch(and Barbel just in case Billyo reads this)so that we can have a specimen venue that is not dominated by carp.I agree that the price would put a lot of people fishing the Car Park for the big Bream that are in there or even Horton.With there being many more carp anglers out there as opposed to Bream Tench Roach anglers it would be nice if RMC created a venue for these species.

[Billyo]

No Comment ! /images/forum/icons/tongue.gif

Bill.

[scorpio]

I do agree with you, most of the RMC venues do contain these species and good to excellent sizes but they are out of I would call the "normal anglers reach" Don't get me wrong, I could easily afford a syndicate ticket if I wanted to but it would be wasted as my job only allows me to have a certain amount of bank time and I wouldn't benefit from paying the money. I do agree that the coverall permit is excellent value, what I don't agree with is as soon as a venue becomes a "noted Carp water" it becomes a syndicate, I used to fish Sutton 2, Car Park etc and loved those lakes but all of a sudden...... syndicate waters. I suppose this is life these days.

[Rivercarper]

Scorpio check your private email and see what you think.I'm on line for a while.

[Smarts]

If they're not British fish....I wouldn't mention it on this forum!
It'll jam up the system with the replies..........

Smarts

[Derby_Neil]

Record fish my **** Tommo.
You've already stated in another thread that your lake has been stocked with an imported foreign whacker.
Get a life and "Keep it Real"

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by scorpio on 19/12/00 07:40 PM.</FONT></P>

[Derby_Neil]

Shall I bite ?? Naaaahhhhhh just please get rid of this guy moderators !
If you really want a serious answer to that tommo, I don't know of many 40's and definately not any fiftees that have been caught 30 times, let alone 300. AND..... they smell of roast beef and yorkshire pud (not forgetting the onion gravy), and not a wiff of a garlic clove !

Neil

[Smarts]

Tommo,

At first I thought you were serious and a prat at that......but now I realise you are having a laugh after crashing in on this site.............The one about the bite alarms made me laugh out loud!.......behave yourself!

Smarts

[Rivercarper]

Tommo has been suspended untill Ian has a look.

Rivercarper

[Crispy]

How about this then, due to the massive growth or carp fishing over the past few years some waters need to be syndicated to protect the fish, Imagine if Bazil or Blind Eye or Mary were caught by people who, lets say, didn't quite know how to go about things in the correct manner?

We need to keep a close eye on these fish and I can't think of anyone better than the like of the "Keepin it real" crew!

As carp anglers we are the ones that have to pay the high prices and I work bloody hard to afford the fishing I want to do.

Why should syndicates be cheaper so that lazy sods who can't be bothered to work can fish them?

Regarding other specimen species, if it wasn't for carp anglers, other species would not be reaching the sizes they do, so in turn anglers who want specimen tench, bream etc should also have to pay syndicate prices!

If I want to put a bend in the rod I go to a cheap heavily stocked day ticket water, if I want to catch bigger fish I pay for it.

It is the same, or rather it should be the same for all anglers.

RMC are doing a superb job in preserving angling, not just carp angling.

I wonder how many people are quite happy to spend £10 per 24 hours for two rods on a day ticket water maybe 20 times a year but would begrudge paying £200.00 for a syndicate, work it out!

I'm not being nasty, I see the whole syndicate debate from both sides but it's life, I'd love to be in the directors box at a football match rather than on the stands.

Unfortunately it comes down to progress and commercialism but at least RMC have turned commercialism into a positive aspect of angling, using the money to protect and preserve.


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by scorpio on 20/12/00 03:42 PM.</FONT></P>

[scorpio]

I can't see the connection in having a good bit of money and being a competant angler, I can afford syndicate prices but as you say it's 99.9% carp anglers and as we all know Carp anglers and "pleasure anglers" don't always get on. I used to love fishing Sutton 2 & the car park lake with my coverall permit. As you say progress, I used to pay a pittance for tubing, they put the word "Carp" on the label and now it is 10 times the price, the same goes for a lot of the accessories I used to buy, lets face it Carp Angling is being exploiteds, by the tackle dealers and the fisheries. RMC is a business and you are right preservation is a major part of theit policies, but I was a tad annoyed when some of my favourite waters to pleasure fish became syndicates because there are large Carp in there, tell me are there any pleasure anglers in the syndicates? I think not.

Tony

[Crispy]

As I said I do see the problem, I was probably going more on the view of the anglers who fish for other specimen fish rather than just pleasure angling.

I don't get the money and competence bit, maybe I wasn't very clear.

There was a recent post about what to do with one of the Yateley Lakes, I was one who said turn it into a mixed fishery.

Although I exclusively fish for carp, I still treasure tench and bream, using lighter gear if I think I am going to catch one or two.

I was brought up as a pleasure angler, did the match circuit, came second in the junior national and then progressed to carp.

I caught PB carp, tench and bream last year, then tench and bream were technically more meritous catches looking at record weights etc.

So I do agree with you, unfortunately life is life!

[bazza]

i would have thought that by going syndicate on a water you would be in the position to vet the members. those who act up or don't play by the rules (especially the unwritten rules) wouldn't get the opportunity to renew their membership the following year.

that goes for anglers of ALL species...

[CarponlineEditor]

I agree with you on this one apart from the fact that on some of the fisheries that Ive heard of its sometimes the bailiffs that play up as well and surely this would make it that bit harder to find the culprits??? In my opinion it is a terrible shame when on some waters there are anglers (I use the term loosly) that cause others agro, this should be stamped out!!!!!