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Hi Lads and Lasses?
Just Been delivered my Tails up Frozen pro liver boilees what service and quality!
And was just looking for yet another piece of advice /images/forum/icons/smile.gif to make them go harder do i need to air dry them what is this?
Lofte
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p.s any information apprecited and put into good effect!
Basically leave them out of the freezer for 3-4 days to dry out the moisture in them, it will sort of preserve them and obviously there go rockhard or put them in the airing cupboard for a day or two. (remember to lay them flat out)
Hope that helps
Dave
Cheers Dave you have given me some most valuable help, i will go and do it now!
Thank you very much for you advice
Lofte
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Alternatively you can buy yourself some air drying sacks to dry them out in. Just remember not to over fill them and to move the baits about in them occasionally.
If you do dry your air dry your baits out be warned they will go as hard as 'stone' (depending on base mix)
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Why not just put them in the freezer?
Why do you want them harder?
"Keeping it frozen"
Miller.
Ive heard that they are better if they are left to dry and i thought that is what you were iment to do! Ive only laid out 5 kilos to be air dryed and left the rest in the frezer so i will see which is more effective!
Cheers
lofte
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I wouldn't say it is what you are meant to do.
It is generally accepted that fresh bait is better.
Liken it to your own food if you like.
Put a slice of bread in the freezer tonight. Also leave a slice of bread out tonight to "air dry". Take the frozen one out in the morning, let it defrost then eat it.
Then eat the one you left out all night.
Spot the differnce?
I think you will.
Miller.
fair point miller,
i find that carp like to crunch things. they have a set of teeth especially for this purpose. you can liken crunching dried boilies to eating watersnails, which they no doubt live on and crunch more readily than dried baits.
if you put a dried bait in the water, it re-hydrates very quickly, going back to its "fresh" state. having fished dry baits alongside fresh baits, i find no difference in effectiveness. others may obviously find differently.
you cant beat fresh bait from the freezer though.
**sam**
If you air dry a bait you turn a good bait into an exellent bait just take care in drilling them and removing them from the hair as I found out the hard way when I tried to cut one off the hair because it was stuck instead I cut the tip of my finger and belive me it hurts and I had to put salt in it.
Alex.
What ever you do remember what I said just then.
Alex,
Please enlighten me on how just by 'Airdrying a bait' it can be turned into a excellent bait. Are you saying that all 'fresh / frozen baits are not as good as those that have been air dried?
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Thats what I was told by a guy at Twynersh and with all the fish he caught on them I belive him he had three thirties and a number of twenties in a weekend on air dried baits and this is a lake I can't even get three takes a year!!! Don't get me wrong some waters the fish may not like them but I noticed people like Jules Webb do it to their baits but a bait is still good fresh but I had the same thing at Horseshoe with ASAP's on the second day of them being in the sun they worked much better and the same for Richworth multiplex.
I guess it comes down to personal opinon its your choice but like I said fish might them not like and others might theres a 50/50 chance.
Alex.
Why not ask a few people at your local water and find out if the fish do take them or not.
Blimey, if anyone has got an excellent bait you must air dry it, it will become super dooper excellent!
(Sorry Alex, only joking)
(oh sorry for saying sorry and I was joking, only joking)
So should take a look at that advice if you notice the amount of fish that guy got maybe if you air dried your baits you would catch somthing.
(joking about that last bit)
Alex.
Again, different strokes for different folks, depends on where you're fishing, I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket, maybe Lofte should air dry some and keep some frozen and use different types on each rod.
Alex, that bloke at twynersh must be some kind of GOD, to get all those fish when you could only get 3 takes LOL (joking again)
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He was only a god untill I out fished him on pit 2 off the top that was the last time I ever saw him and he was a baliff a week after that he left the job and so did the other baliff and so did his mate who had been there for nine years.
Strange that.
Alex.
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I doubt they left because you'd caught more off the top in one day.
Trust me he probably did he could'nt take it he always hated me and said I would never catch more fish than him.
How wrong he was.
His mate left because he said I would never catch at Horseshoe and you know the rest (he really left because he went to another lake)
Alex.
DanTheMan
21-02-2001, 09:46
inevitable wasn't it!!!
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i'm pushing it now arn't i!
lol
Dan
Quite right Dan, it had to come!
calling mr traditionalist-does this mean you carry a 12 bore round with ya to blow away any bait boats in the water,or how about taking 30 mins to boil a kettle in the long grass
how much do you charge for lessons on carp fishing with pea**** quill and boiled spuds as bait.
fair play fair play.-did you win the horshoe fishin with just 1 rod aswell ?????
DanTheMan
21-02-2001, 12:34
alex - forgive me for sounding *doubtful* but do you really think that a geezer would leave a lake that he has baliffed /fished for 9 years because someone he 'didn't like' outfished him on one day???
i dont know about you, but when i'm fishin i dont really care what other people catch (as long as they're not hauling and i'm blanking) . i fish for myself, because i enjoy the surroundings, and pitting my limited wits against creatures far more intelligent than me!!! /images/forum/icons/smile.gif
Dan
p.s. never won a match at horseshoe before but i won a fancy dress competition once when i was about 10.does this count???/images/forum/icons/laugh.gif
I don`t know any of you, but it sounds like Alex is on a major Ego trip!
(Thats my 2 pennys worth)
Dave.
CarponlineEditor
21-02-2001, 12:51
We could start a new thread called "What have you won" lol. I once won a Cobra tackle tidy thingy, but i gave it to the missus for her make up. Stupid thing lol and the tackle tidy.
Andy
g_child, well said mate!!
Alex
Dan is right, it should be about your fishing, not anyone elses and it shouldn't be about BEATING other people, it should be about bettering yourself and acheiving personal goals.
People like Chris Yates, Terry Hearn, Jim Shelley don't catch more fish because they are trying to beat other people, they are trying to acheive a goal they set themselves, like catching Mary for example.
Most of these anglers are probably all fishing for a small number of massive english fish that they know of, but if one cathes a previousley uncaght 50 first (apart from the general geyser to geyser [censored] taking) they will congratulate eachother on an acheivement which has taken a lot of self discipline and effort. (that's the impression I get anyway)
You still have to put in maximum effort but do it for yourself not just to impress others, the reality of life is that people won't necessarily be impressed, they may even be jealous, and jealousy breeds contempt.
I hope you don't think I'm being out of order as I definately don't mean to be.
Keep it real.
Crispy
alex, so when you go fishing do you try to compete with everyone else at the lake and think only of catching one more fish than the next bloke!!???!?!? if so then you need to start chilling and appreciate your fishing more, personally, i fish to relax and achieve personal goals like crispy said, not to compete or "out fish the bloke next to me" i couldnt give a flying f*** what anyone else catches, if i wanted to compete id be a match fisherman!! maybe you should look into it..
cheers
Dan
good call Dan-hey how do you fancy entering the world marlin championships next year,Alex could be our coach-teach us his winning formular.
ha ha, with alex as our coach we would surely come first, but you know what would happen after we won it, all the other competitors would quit thier jobs cause they wouldnt be able to handle us beating them, as you do...
alex, (only joshing, try not to start getting agro again, but all joking aside you should seriously consider the comments made int his post..)
Sounds spot on to me, I'm chilled with my fishing as well, I think I had the advantage of serving my apprecticeship quite young, you'll never guess what, I have won a few proper matches even came 2nd out of 1200 anglers in the junior national in 1986 does that count Alex?
DanTheMan
21-02-2001, 13:36
congratulations crispy-some of your finest work.
i think the beauty of fishing is that it is a *sport* that can be competed on your own terms. some people like to catch 'the biggest' some people like to catch as many fish as they can,etc....
i really only concentrate my carping on the thames now, because i wanted to challenge myself and find out the unknown-some pioneering you could call it. i couldn't care if i blank, then blank, and blank some more..(usual scenario!) but when i do catch one it makes it all the more special to me, because i know i have worked hard for that capture, and been rewarded. off my soapbox now geezers, but dont ever worry if you are not catching as much as the next guy-work hard and your time will come.
i know mine will......oneday!
tight lines and b lucky
Dan the Man
DanTheMan
21-02-2001, 13:37
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Dan The Man
Well said though, everyone has a red letter day, and if youv`e worked hard and put in the effort when it finally happens it will feel some much sweeter. If you haven`t had one its something worth waiting for.
(i no i`m still waiting!)
Dave.
all that aside, if you put a dried bait in the water, it soon rehydarates.
alex, read jim gibbinsons book 'carp sense'. he discusses dried baits in detail.
**sam**
Thank you for the complimet Mr DanTheMan.
Back to the bait, does anyone think it is worth spraying baits priorto commencing the drying process?
CarponlineEditor
21-02-2001, 14:34
Which colour are we talking here?? lol I wouldnt mind spraying mine bright pink or luminous green that would be soooo cool , you might even be able to see them at night.
Seriously though, I reckon that unless the bait spray is some sort of sticky material surely it would simply wash off after being in the water for a little while. I think it would be better to use some paste of your choice as at least this would stay round the hook baits for a while.
Andy
Right are we back talking about the intended topic.!
Alex,
You still havn't explained fully, how by drying your bait will make it better? As for that guy catching them 30's on that weekend, do you really think it was because his bait was 'airdried' (instead of fresh or frozen) or 'Location'!!
I know which i would opt for.
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I was thinking more of flavour rather than colour, i.e. you buy your bait frozen, then when you take them out of the freezer to dry them spray them so as they defrost they pull in the flavour, then you've got air dried baits full of flavour that will leak out as they re-hydrate in the water??
I think Paulm is probably right, with that many fish of that size involved, a location thing rather than a bait thing.
CarponlineEditor
21-02-2001, 15:31
Yes I know you were talking about flavours but I still reckon that unless you use something that stays in the bait that it would mostly wash off once immersed in the water. But saying that it may entice the wily old fish to come have a look see.
Andy
so would you say ve made a mistake air drying 5 kilos?
Lofte
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not nessesarely (can`t spell) it could work. how much have you brought it youv`e got say 30kilo of bait airdring 5k is not going to make that much difference.
A good time to airdry bait is when you have run out of freezer space then it won`t go off.
CarponlineEditor
21-02-2001, 15:37
I have used boilies for many years now and I tend to use fresh baits whenever possible because I reckon they are best freshly thawed but saying that I nearly always have some air dried ones with me just so that if I havent got any nice fresh ones then i have some back up baits. I dont think they are any worse than fresh ones. I simply think that because I fish really short sessions of four to five hours max I want the flavours / enhancers to start to come off straight away but I reckon that if the baits are air dried then it may well take a little longer for the attractors to work.
Cheers, Andy
Ive already got 5 kilos in my mums frezzer she dosent know about it yet! How long does Air dried bait last will it go mouldy?
CarponlineEditor
21-02-2001, 15:45
Basically as long as you keep the bait totally dry then it will keep indefinately. But if it gets even the slightest bit damp then you would have to either redry it (not neccessarily a good idea) or use it up quick and dry some more. The best place I have found to keep it all nice and dry is either the airing cupboard (but mum may not like that one) or in a wardrobe hanging up in one of those net bags you can buy. I got those ones that people wash socks in but dont use them after they have had socks in them. lol
Andy
Cheers andy for some top advice would it be ok to keep them in a pillow case inside the wardrobe as i dont have any of them air dry sacks!
Lofte
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I`ve never seen air dried bait go mouldy. But it may do after a very very long time. My mates got some still in his air cupboard and some of its been in there for over 2 seasons.
But i personally wouldn`t use it after that length of time i like it fresh, still thawing out when your baiting up perfect!
CarponlineEditor
21-02-2001, 15:50
Yes i have used old pillow cases before but until they are properly dry you must keep turning them until they are completely dry. I try to toss them around every time i go past them for two or three days just to make sure.
Andy
I would like to say a BIG thankyou to evey one who has helped me out and will continue to help me out giveing me some top advice! I am now beggining to understand the methods or storing bait etc.
cheers guys you have really helped a younger angler new to the bait game out, thanks again for all you experience
Justin
lofte
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I have no idea apart from it make the bait harder and as for the baliff I have used fresh baits in his swim the same flavor and not had a touch and no I don't think he left because of me it was a joke!
and as for me fishing like Chris Yates I may not use the same tackle but I use his approch to stalking fish and no angling is not a compation to me but if you knew all the things the baliffs at twynersh had said to me you would be proud of watching as people laughed at him as he packed up.
Sorry but I think you took the joke too far again.
Alex.
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why do i have to make sure they are totally dry befor tthey can go into a pillow case! What does mit do to them if they are not dry?
Lofte
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leave them to dry *completely*, then bag them up.
the only problem i have had with dried baits is weevils!
**sam**
How can I tell when they are thoughally dry? so i can store them in a pillow case in my wardrobe!!!!!!!
Cheers Lads
Lofte
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Crispy,
From personal experience i think you will find that it is the other way around. When you freeze your bait, it will pull the flavour in not when it defrosts.
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Would I be a cool as Alex if I sprayed mine with a Nike tick?
Tony
Ha Ha Ha!!!
Tony you can never be as cool as me.
Alex.
Very Diplomatic Paulm
What you should have said was "Oi Crispy, wrong way round you fool!"
It's OK, I know nothing I mean it's not as though I've won any fish-ins at horseshoe or anything like that.
Okay can we drop that now please it was funny the first time but its not any more.
Alex.
Sorry Alex, just geezers stuff, no offence meant and I'll stop it now.
Cheers I don't mind it most of the time.
Alex.
Just not first thing in the morning eh!
Back to the point....and with no reference to the fact that Alex keeps putting his foot in it.........I air dry my baits.
The only reason is 'cause I have no freezer space!
I do pop a few baits in there to use on the hook though as frozen baits leaks off attractors and flavours quicker.
Air drieds may work as they 're-hydrate' slowly fooling carp that are wary of high flavoured baits maybe?...on the same principle of using washed out baits that the carp assume are safe as they've been sitting around for a while.
I've no idea.......I only care that I can now store boilies in quantity with the knowledge that they still catch fish!
I use the Gardner air dry sacks to dry them.They are for 5kg, I believe,but I just use 1kg at a time in each bag.This ensures better circulation.I hang them in the loft to dry and move the baits around every morning and night...(we've got a loft conversion so I don't have to trek up a dangerous ladder to the loft....I just open a small door!).
It normally takes a few weeks to be sure and you know they are ready as they sound like marbles when you shake the bag!....ROCK HARD!
Smarts
I put some boilees into the airing cupboaed as advised but alot of them seemed to go white and lose there smell is this supposed to happen? they look bad to me! Any way ive still got 15 kilos in the frezzer and am planning a weekender soon, if i was to take some of my frozen bait with me would the stuff not being used go off or not? how do you lo get around this proble whern I return is it ok to put what i didnt use back into the frezer?
Cheers
Lofte
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Lofte,
what colour were the boilies to start with?!
Mine were dark brown and turned a light beige when drying.They darken again when in the water and re-hydrating.
Make sure it's not a fine white mould!......if so, use them NOW,(it has been said that some makes are better when on 'the turn'),or bin 'em.
Smarts
i think it is a fine white mould i reall ort to get osme of them sacks how mch are they? Will they be ok to bait up likely looking spots if i use them tomorrow? or will it be bad for the carp?
Lofte
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It should be OK Lofte, I was advised by a relaible source, as Smarts has already said, that a defrosted bait that has turned white can be at it's best.
But think about your confidence, if your not happy with putting them in then don't, I personally wouldn't worry but then.......................I ain't no Terry Hearn!
i wouldnt have confidence in using them as a hook bait but to bait up a few likely looking spots cant do no harm can it?
I think im gonna buy myself a frezza to keep in the garage for all my bait keep mum of me back! Does anyone know where i can pick up a cheap second hand one? anyone?
Lofye
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Lofte
Best to look in the local paper mate, trouble is I have been looking for a chest freezer for ages and they don't come up that often.
Crispy
look in the yellow free ads. pay no more that 30 quid. they have loads every week.
lofte, its FREEZER!
keep it chilled!
**sam**
Freza Frezer Feeze they all mean the same to me LOL
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Lofte
I too have witnessed people catch when using baits that are begining to turn but also seen people 'Stop' catching.
It all depends on the type of bait you are using, from what i remember it is the HNV Milk Protein baits that i've seen catch, something to do with the releasing of the milks!!
Perhaps somebody else can shed some light on this?
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I hate to contradict you sam but it's "freeza" cause he's a "geeza"!
Paul
I have heard a few people say that Activ8 is a good one when it's turning, not sure if it's true though.
Yep....apparently the Assassin-8 and Active-8,Winter-8 etc........blah....blah......can be improved by letting them 'turn'.
Some people do this by putting them by their feet when driving to the venue to warm up with the car heaters.
This is just hearsay on my part.....but I think it's to do with the ingredients being 'activated' by the heat.
Places have been taken apart on this method but it takes some guts to use!
The same applies for these baits by leaving them to start going white and mouldy! Tiger nuts ae good when fermented.....so why not some boilie ingredients?!
Smarts
i remember seeing the late great ian drury going on about how "ice" was slang for "bloke"
it goes like this:
ice, ice cream. ice cream, freezer. freezer, geezer. geezer=bloke!
good these ****anese eh?
nothing to do with bait though.
**sam**
Clever stuff Sam
I've got a bit of slang for ya, see if you can work this one out:
Inspector Morse, Horse. Ain't got a clue, Shoe. (see where it's going yet?) Yarn Spinner, Winner.
So far then: Inspector Morse Ain't Got a Clue, Yarn Spinner.....................
Someone needs to finish it cause my head hurts....
Could be the next competition, finish the ****erney rhyme.....................
Whaddaya think Ian?
e fink its a sound idea
Lofte
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DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 17:12
crispo - that is classic mate- 10/10. am ****ing myself BIG time....your digging a grave mate..,,digging a grave!!
keep it up !!
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I wounder what the prize is gonna be this time itl have to be a goodan to compare with the last prize!
Lofte
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I thank you very kindly sir.
DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 17:25
what about the monthly winner gets a weekend away at horseshoe , with full tuition from.........dont do it dan!!
dan
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Noooooooooooooo, stay away from it, it'll all end it tears Dan, you know that!
7 feet long, made in the wood of your choice and buried underground!!!!!!!!
DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 18:17
i know crispo.. i know.
alex- where are you son????? this forum is not the same without you joining in geeza? *get involved*
looking forward to see you rip me up son!! cant wait..
happy fishes over the w'end boys
dan
I've been playing games over the internet I decided it was time for a break so I came here to have a laugh or be laughed at. I would be happy do give some one lessons at Horseshoe about how to be a true winner or I could teach Dan how to fish I know you want some lessons Dan but I'm booked out for the next five years.
Alex.
DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 18:36
hi mate- you know it to be true!!
good to have you back in cyber land, your presence is a great honour to the mere mortal carp angler amongst us. how are you son??
dan.
THIS IS TERNING IN TO A LONG THREAD IN IT
LOFTE
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Fine mate just trying to work out what bait to order from Tails up I have to order 30 kilos so I want to get it right I then have to field test it.
Any suggestions? and you can get off your hands and knees now Dan you dont have to worship me all the time.
Alex.
PROTAVAIT LIVER
PROTAVAIT LIVER
PROTVAIT LIVER
NUFF SAID
LOFTE
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DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 18:44
cheers geez....but i woudln't worry about what bait u use-just touch it first before you cast out!! lol
all the tails up gear is good tho mate-not as good as the ice reds tho! they rule-even a crap angler like me can catch on em..
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Its the cheapest to buy for field testers but I love the shellfish and I want to give OCP a go.
DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 18:45
whats protvait liver-is that a new one??? lol
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It has to be Tails up Dan thats why I field test for them.
Alex.
YOU CANT BEAT PROTAVAIT LIVER, ASK UNCLE JIM IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME MIND YOU IT DOES STINK THE KITCHEN OUT WHICH IF YOUR MUMS LIKE MINE MEANS ALOT OF NAGGING TO PUT UP WITH
LOFTE
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DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 18:50
all true, all true mate. perhaps badger would take me on their books mate-what do ya reckon...i caught a perch once..
lol
dan
BADGER CLASSICS WOT CAN I SAY BEST OF BRITISH BUILT TO LAST lol
LOFTE
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Alex, bless yer. I'd be very surprised if anyone needed lessons on Horseshoe it's not the hardest lake in the country now is it! LOL.
I actually learned how to carp fish on the back in "89.
They love particles and lots of them. If the fish are in front of you and you find a clear area you'll haul, if its not clear fish a zig-rig and you'll haul.
Cash
lol, that'll wind him up!
CarponlineEditor
23-02-2001, 18:59
You lot are cracking me up I have gone a little 'Horse' lol Oh and when Alex gets hold of you he will probably kick your butts with his big left 'Shoe' lol
Anyway Ice Reds rule geezers, I know I have the proof in my photo album lol
Andy
PS Alex why havent you got your smiley face on one of these ickle piccies holding your winnings would be cool?????????
I agree with that one Dan.
Get on the Ice-Reds and you'll not be able to keep up with your buzzers.
Alex are you really buying 30kg of the stuff? Don't forget Uncle Jim put 500+kg into Wraysbury, your a long way off that. Speak to Mr Rawcliffe I'm shore he'll sort you out!
Cash
He did mate he made me a field tester thats why it has to be Tails up.
Andy I will have my picture of my 28lb carp when I get around to it.
Alex.
BLODDY HELL THATS A LOT OF BAIT
SO WHAT DID HE CATCH FROM THERE LOL LOL
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LOFTE
CarponlineEditor
23-02-2001, 19:06
Good for you geezer. Cant wait for all of you to put up your piccies. Couldnt you have one of you holding up your horseshoe cup or something though Alex that would show them all lol.
Andy
On a serious note, hurry up with the pic as all those Horsehoe fish are stunners!
Cash
I would mate but I never got a cup (sob)
There are no pics of me collecting the prize so it will have to be one of the fish and since it is a nice looking fish and they came out well I thought why not.
Alex.
CarponlineEditor
23-02-2001, 19:10
True enough even though i reckon they were a bit tight with the cups though. Get it sorted soon cos we all want to see you with that stunner.
Andy
DanTheMan
23-02-2001, 19:11
andy- i've got a picture with me and my *perch* that i caught- do you reckon i could put up on there????
dan
gotta - shoot now-sherberts to consume, catch all you guys soon in cyber land, have *wet* weekends??
alex- top stuff mate- will look forward to seeing you wearing your winners rosette at that *farm animals foot protector* lake !! top boy!
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Tony
Rivercarper
24-02-2001, 03:46
Much more of his cheek about me being No2 on his hit list it will be my foot in his mouth.When he lands he will be back at Horseshoe.
I have enough trouble at home with stroppy kids so I don't need it fishing.Alex take note, read well,and digest.
Your be put to number one if your not careful Neil and Tony you just made it to number four.
Alex The Horseshoe hauler.
DanTheMan
24-02-2001, 12:42
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Dan
Dan congratulations you just made it to number five.
Alex The Horseshoe hauler.
Talking of Neil where is he?
He has'nt taken the [censored] all day must be a record keep it up Neil and I might remove you from the list.
Alex The Horseshoe hauler.
so what bait does everyone else use!
what do you think of readymades over frozen?
Lofte
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When fishing for carp I use various types of nuts & beans, also luncheon meat, maize & floaters. Don't use boilies.... never liked them or the prices the dealers charge for them. My favourite would have to be either ****les or kidney beans.
Tony
I hate to the one to tell you this but readymades are the same thing as frozen baits thats why they are called frozen readymades what you mean is shelf lifes.
Alex The Horseshoe hauler.
sorry alex, but you are incorrect.
'ready-mades' are ready made bait. their very name should give you a hint...! this means a bait which you don't have to make yourself.
they come in frozen and shelf-life varieties, but both are 'ready-made'...<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by bazza on 25/02/01 07:20 PM (server time).</FONT></P>
cheers bazza i was worried i sounded a plonker then, and didnt know what i was talking about!
Lofte
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i use nashys ready made a lot and rate them highly.
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andy rooke
Im a buzz baits user and they do have some good baits avaible. There baits are good and at a sensible price.
have you had much out on them? i have a mate who was sponcered by them and he has said that he has had some good results on them, someone i know at college had a thirty out on them.
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andy rooke
I do actually feild test for them and they give me my bait at very reasonable prices. They won the carp challenge at fishabil this year and there new bait savage was a big hit last year and I managed fish to 29lb on them. I not sure whether i can do this but if you r intrested visit this site www.buzzbaits.co.uk
Tom Paylor
cheers mate ill lok into it.my mates name is M.bartlett
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andy rooke
Has anyone out there used starmer baits bio multi-vit. Is it any good. Ive won a load in crafty carper and Im not sure whether to use it or sell it.
i have used it a few times a couple of years ago i used the oily chicken had a few on it. how much have you got and how much?
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andy rooke
Ive got 20k of the stuff. The base mix only.
Im not sure what to do with it. So do you rekon its worth ago. Is it an instant bait??????
im not to sure mate although heared a few good feedbacks of it. would you split it 10k each?
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andy rooke
That bait that I air dried has gone rock hard I mean rock hard they soun like f****g stones when i move em about! I cant wait to use them and see what results i get! hope the whether cheers up before a week this weekend when ill be getting me rods out!
Lofye
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P.S anyone fished the south lake lately?
I did try to warn ya on how hard they would go.!
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I seemed to under estermate you advice!
LOL
Ive had a go a drilling a few but i seem to keep splitting the top of one end any advice hoe to get around thtis?
lofte
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what u want to do mate is use a finer drill piece.
Are you going to test the air-dried against the frozen?
If so let me know how you get on.
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DanTheMan
26-02-2001, 16:19
lofte- for the future mate- drill a hole before airdrying. you will go mad trying to drill em now-they just split dont they!! you'll probably have to keep those ones for baiting, and drill some frozen ones and airdry them for hookbaits..hope thats of some help geez.
dan
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Cheers Dan you certanly are the man LOL
Yer i will be fishing one on air dried and one on frozen I think the resluts will be interesting??? if too intersting ill keep em to my self only joking ill give it a while and let you know what results ive been haveing if any!!! /images/forum/icons/smile.gif
Im also gonna try a secret little bait of mine that will be comeing with me to the social for margin work i think its gonna be a winner as i dont know anyone who uses them He He He
smelling the baits they dont smell like they did when i got them out the frezzer but sort of have a weird but nice well to me anyway but not the rest of the family smell to them! will the original smell hmmmmmm pro liver come back to them when the get put into the water?????
Lofte
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I find that the fact they split unusual.I've dried 14mm boilies and drilled them no probs!
Maybe my drill is finer as some of the nut drills are too big.
Smarts
what size drill piece would you say i should use the baits are 18mm!
Cheers
dudes
My drill is so uninteresting it doesn't even have a brand name!
Like my baiting needle,I've had it for about 7 years!
It's as fine as a baiting needle or there abouts,whereas some of the drills have too big a bore.
Maybe it's got a good point on it so it bites well and it does not need any pressure to force it through.If you have to push on your drill to make it work....get rid off it.
They should work themselves through the bait no worries.
It cost about £1.50!...its just a small plastic handle,(green),with a drill bit about 2" long,(5cm if you're metric!).
It has a plastic cover for the drill too.
Smarts
cheers mate ill have a lok in me dads toolbox hes just got a new set of small drill pieces he shouldnt notice if one goes missing at leas I hope not
cheers again
Lofte
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Dont worry about air drying the baits. The harder they are the better they may work. Carp love to crunch things. Thats why tigers nuts are so succefull. Certain anglers have clicked into that and add egg shells to there mix to make it crunchy. The carp love to take the bait back and crunch them. In theory you should get better hook holds as the carp have to take the bait back further to crunch the bait. I do like rock hard hook baits as I believe they can actually catch you more fish.
Rooky
I may give you some bait when it arrives. Ill have a play and if I dont like it I may sell you some if im in a good mood. Pm me if youre genuinly intrested in the bait and if I dont like it you can have it at low prices.
Paylor ,for some reason your picture isn't showing up on my computer,whats it of?
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paulh
I not sure why. It works on mine pc. Ask an administrator. Does it work on everyone elses computer?
CarponlineEditor
26-02-2001, 18:50
It doesnt work on mine screen. But the address you have told it to look at isnt on the internet is it? It may be cos its on your hard disc?
Andy
Cheers. Youve sorted it for me now any way. Does this one work?????
CarponlineEditor
26-02-2001, 19:00
Yes it looks sweet matey.
Andy
Yeah mate nice pic.
Alex.
Ah yes nice pic,At the moment I'm waiting for my girlfriends daughter to put my picture in, as I have no idea how to do.
Wont be a monster like most of yours but my first double,
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paulh
Fishing isnt about catching the biggest fish. i love fishing carp matches ect but when im fishing on my own i prefere the competition to be between me and mr carp and not my fellow angler
I couldnt agree with you more,thats why I dont match fish,personally I compete with myself and the fish.Its just that my pb photo ahs been framed in amontage with lots of other piccys of pbs, and this photo is the only one I have of a double, hopefully I get it put in soon.
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paulh
ps I'm not knocking those that do match fishing,I personally dont
I think that carp matches are good for the sport and I do like them. They promote the sport and top anglers competing against each other can only be a good thing. But when Im on my own or fishing with a mate its all about the fish and not beating matey in the next swim. Theres no better satisfaction in fishing than catching a fish that you have targeted and fished long hard hours for.
It's OK, don't worry, private message Alex and get him to come round and touch them all for you, they'll be fine!
I only do that for a price which is a can of redbull for each bait.
Alex.
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Tony
Good to see you've got your picture up Tony
Alex.
Oh dear, what a waste of bait. Only one place for it mate, in the bin. Next time if you are going to air dry your bait, keep rotating it - this lets the air get to all of the bait and dry them out properly.
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Good points you bring up here Zombie.
I think that most animals will try something 'once' then from this testing decide weather to continue, i know i do. I'll try lots of different food and if i find i donÂ’t like it then i won't eat it again. - Trail and error.
I believe that this also applies to carp, as most of the carp i've watched feeding will test a bait before taking it in.
As for your second point, i don't know about all base mixes but my bait starts to break down after 2days to nothing!!
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I dont think for one minute that a bait that has being left in the water for a couple of days can be potentailly dangerous to the carp. The flavours will leak out of the bait and the bait will lose its colour. The bolie will take in the water and become soft. The bait will still remain the same but with out the flavours and attractors to carp. I dont think the bait will become dangerous.
how much bait do you guys normally introduce to a new water, for a baiting campaign the water in question is about 15 cres in size and holds a good head of large carp
cheers
Guys
Lofte
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I think Cash is spot on there Lofte.
Ian,
you've mentioned before about feeding the fish in the pads lake at Yateley with pellet and boilies.
Do you allow 'x' amount per,(known!),fish?...bearing in mind the nuisance fish will munch a bit?
For example....if say, three carp frequented an area and you chose to bait here...would you balance the feed just to cater for those fish,or make it less for competition or more to ensure they think it as being an 'easy grub'area?
I normally fish for one fish at a time and have no experience of pre-baiting.
Thanks a ton,
Smarts
Cheers,
I guess it's a bit trial and error....but with a healthy dose of common sense thrown in!
Still,it's challenge and that's what makes it fun!......it's just a shame that if you get it wrong you get punished.....learn by our mistakes etc.....
Smarts
Its a good point Cash makes about feed the fish
I've also found it is better to feed little and often than pile aload in at once.
ie....better to bait a kilo a day than 7 kilos on every Monday.
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so whats the right time to start pre baiting then i really have no idea but have heard if you get it right the results will keep on comeing and comeing?
Cheers
Lofte
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It all depends on the weather mate. I start to prebait as soon as it starts to warm up, April normally. I will start with small ammounts first then up it as the fish get on it and as it gets warmer.
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cheers guys for your advice i would have been lost with out it!
lofte
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No worry's mate. Any more questons, you know where we are.!
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cheers guys
Is it hard to rool your own bait?
Lofte
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Rool your bait, i normally Roll it.........lol
Depends on the ammount you are talking about. Me personlly, i like using a alot, 20k a week and this takes time where i would rather be on the bank fishing.
This year however i have joined with a bait company, lots of cheap ready rolled bait - luvly jubley, as del would say.
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I think that if you are doing a baiting campain for the first time then try and get in with the other people on the lake. Get a baiting team going then there will always be the same bait going into the water on a regular basis. This also works out a lot quicker and cheaper for you. Rolling 20k+of bait a week is hard work on your own, but 20k+ between 3or4 people is a lot easier.
As for rolling my bait I try do do it in bulk quantitys and then slap it in my chest freezer. Works a treat and you dont have to worry about rolling bait the day before you go fishing..
T.Paylor
are particles any good for a baiting campaign the only trouble is trying to get them out at distance!
Proves imposssible without a spod rod
Lofte
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andy rooke
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lofte
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Right then boys.
Particles, do any of you have a favourite blend/mix of particles that you have done well with?
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Hemp, trout pellets and sweetcorn are my favourite. They all go on one bucket and the whole lot is spodded out. Its devastating.
PeterHudd
06-03-2001, 18:37
I agree with you there Hemp and Sweetcorn in a bucket spodde out is a wicked bait!
P.Hudd
Also partiblend mixed with crushed tigers and a jumbo tiger nut fished over the top.
Have any of you used 'Pigeon Mix'?
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CarponlineEditor
07-03-2001, 08:57
Yep, lol
Andy
Well how did you get on with it?
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Pukka stuff, are you talking about RED BAND, its the one with the aniseed in it. Had many fish over it. A couple of mates also use it and they have also had very good results.
Couldn`t recommend it enough, especially mixed with Hemp. At truly devestating combination.
Dave
CarponlineEditor
07-03-2001, 11:21
I havent used it for baiting up with but I have done a few sessions where i spooned out three or four lots and then fished over the top of them. They worked great. The aniseed in them smells lovely and carp love it to. Twice i was the only one to catch anything while others just sat and watched. easy to prepare to. So i think it is a good particle to use.
Andy
Andy
May I ask what is the best way to prepare it?
MartinJ
CarponlineEditor
07-03-2001, 12:56
I just bring it to the boil for a minute or two and then it is ready to use once cooled. Simple really but because each of the seeds are so small it doesnt take much to prepare, just need to do the boil bit so that the seeds are sterile and wont germinate anywhere they shouldnt i think
Andy
Thanks Andy,
I was just a bit concerned about overcooking the small seeds and undercooking the larger ones
MartinJ
I mentioned on another thread that prehaps we should have a list somewhere of all the different types of particles and how to prepare them. Good idea methinks seeing as so many people are using or starting to use them.
Ian if you want me to put this together then i will do.
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i think its a good idea paul
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andy rooke
how hard to these air dried boilees get i thught they were hard last week that was an understatment LOL theyre solid, i wonder how effective theyle be at the social if it goes ahead???
Lofte
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They will go as hard as 'Marbels', no joke.
Personally i don't air dry my bait, not confident in it and i also have a whopping great big freezer just waiting to be filled. Get ready to roll jim.
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the way i prepare red band is to do it the morning BEFORE you go fishing.
get a coolbox and half fill it with boiling water from the kettle. put in the red band until there is about an inch of water covering it, put the lid on and leave it. stir it before you go to bed, and next day it is ready to use. smells lovely and everything is soaked and swollen.
spod it out, use the snotty water to mix up groundbait and hey presto!
So how many of you out there after cooking your particles let them ferment before using them. Personally i've only tried it with a couple and had great success with it.
Do you think that it was because some particles (if not all) work better this way or because it was just something different being used.
Thoughts please.............................
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I used tigers on my water for a long period last year. They definatly worked better when talin was added to them and they were left to ferment in the airing cuboard for a couple of days.
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