Match&copse lake,Yateley

[alex]

If anyone else thinks that joining the match and copse lake is a good idea then post a message saying why if think its a bad idea then let me know why.

[Big_Si]

I agree with Yappi. It would be a shame to loose the Copse as an individual lake, but i would rather see it joined than loose it as a carp lake. Yeh, I know i'm being a typical "BIVVY BOY" by saying that but hey, I don't really care, I feel really passionately about the Copse and am not afraid to admit it! So before I get a load of replies saying I'm just being a selfish Carp angler, and that we've got enough RMC carp lakes, just remember this is only a personel opinion.
It would be quite interesting to combine the two, and would offer some quality angling. I know I'd jump at the chance to try and stalk Match lake Scaley or the Roach from Natural Bivvy or the Oak Bay. Come to think of it, join them together, it would be awesome!!!

[Cooperman]

I personally hope that the 3 lakes are joined together (copse, match, nursery), this would give the fish more room to move about, the nursery and copse areas would be great for summer fishing, and the match would be the best starting point for the "Hardcore" winter anglers. It would also give RMC the oportunity to gain more revenue from selling more tickets and increase the membership!!! (it is a business after all, eh Ian). The only cost to RMC would be a few small bridges to go over the cut throughs.

[alex]

Its nice to see some mixed views it shows people care about what is happening but as it stands we are going to loose the copse as a big carp water but the chances of every thing dieing are pretty small there is more chance of Crinkle Tail dieing if she is moved to the north. So keep them opinons coming in I want to hear everyones views on the subject

[alex]

Joining all three is a bit over the top but a good idea personly I don't want to see any of them joined I'm just trying to show Ian that people would rather see it joined with the match than loose it as a carp water all together. I care even though I have not fished the complex yet but I will be next year thats why I'm try to save the lake I like to read about.

[Big_Si]

I used to fish the Match last summer ('99), and found the fish were easy to find, but the problem was they were very hard to identify due to the water clarity, and also very hard to avoid getting "stockied"! I would get an original feeding only for a stocky to dart in and munch my hook bait and screw everthing up. I'm sure you know what I mean!
If the copse was combined, I don't know how clear the water would stay, but it would be easier to identify and single out fish in the shallower areas like Natural Bivvy or the gravel hump in the "[censored word] in " swim.
Like I said before, combining the two lakes sounds awesome to me after I thought about it, but this is only due to the fact that it would suite my style of fishing, so is purely selfish as I said before!
In response to Alex's worries about Crinkle dying in the North Lake, i'm definitely no fisheries expert but I would have thought she would be fine and do very well indeed. A lot of fish have found their way into the North in the last few years, and only one had any sort of problem, Jumbo. This fish as far as i've been told was struggling in the Pad lake even before it was moved and I think it was destined for carpy heaven!
The rest of the fish are all in tip top shape and WAKING on the weight. For example one of the other stockies from the pad has put on 8lb since March, and is looking sweet! So I wouldn't worry too much about Crinkle, I'm sure she will love it!
Keep catchin' and keep it real!

[Smarts]

Join them or don't...................the fish remain the same,just harder to locate!
Yateley is value for money in that it provides the usual angler with a chance of catching a big carp whether it's got a name or not!...(no disrepect intended at all,Yateley has a history as long as your arm).
The only gripe I'd have is if it was made into a syndicate like the North and Car Park.
I cannot afford the prices and do not have the time to put in the effort to warrant the cost.I know this would be the concern of all the people I fish with at the complex.

some of the points raised here though are dead good in response to your comments.The point about only a small opening between the lakes is a good one.Then the fish can decide on the two completely different enviroments each lake provides themselves without us interferring!

No extra cost...........no worries!


Smarts

[Rivercarper]

I hope you don't join all three lakes because it would kill me walking round with my tackle(being a big fat Git)

[alex]

It's so nice to see all these opinons and Ian seems to think this could be a very intresting subject the more people that say they want to see this happen the more likly it will happen. On the subject of Crinkle there is a small chance it could die from stress it happened at papercourt with the Traveller the fish died from stress and it does worry me but if RMC want to move her its their choice. I still like the idea of the two lakes joining because then fish like the Pretty one can return to their home in the copse and it gives us a chance to stalk the fish in the shallows and rivercarper if you can't be bothered to walk then you will miss out and on the subject of the price I don't think Ian would make it any higher not after all the effort we put in to save the copse as a carp lake. So keep them messages coming in.

[Rivercarper]

Alex I probably walk further than most when fishing the rivers.Unfortunatly we don't know each other and if we did you would realise I love the odd wind up ie Barbel in the copse lake.

[Billyo]

Don't start that again /images/forum/icons/smile.gif

Bill.

[Rivercarper]

Sorry Billyo

[scorpio]

Are not all lakes possible to house Carp? I can't see how someone can call a lake a carp lake.

[alex]

Thats ok we need the odd laugh now and again it does help after a hard days fishing at Tynhersh when you miss the only run you get all day maby we should put barble in the copse we've come up with every thing else so far (joking of course)

[scorpio]

I do agree with you mate but I do think you are looking on the water as a "carp water" I have been to similar places and to be honest the Copse as it used to be is my ideal fishery for carp, as you say it just screams carp at you. In another vane I do think the Yately Complex has plenty of Carp lakes there already. The balance needed is for all aspects of Angling. To be honest I was absolutely peeved when the South Lake went day ticket, I used to love that place for the general fishing aspect but of course things change. I have not been to Yately since all the changes were made. As for joining the 2 lakes that would be disasterous, both the lakes need to be kept separate as they are 2 totally different fisheries.

[alex]

like I've said to a lot of people the lake can be stocked as both a course lake and a carp lake but most people want it as one or the other. What are your views on this?

[scorpio]

I don't want to sound predudice but to be honest I do avoid venues that are specifically "Carp waters" I am not one to stay at a venue for more than 12 hours at a time and to be honest I can relate to people who sit out for days waiting for the elusive catch, I have been abused at RMC venues in the past as I take a roving approach and fish the margins mainly at dawn and dusk for specimen fish, I have been shouted at, called names etc by anglers who are fishing in excess of 100 yards from where I am fishing saying they have their baits in that spot. Don't get me wrong, I would also be a bit annoyed if this happened to me but, and this is a big but an angler of any sorts using 4 rods can cover a lot of water and I would prefer to fish lakes where the Carp anglers do not frequent. I used to fish a lot of Carp waters, for example the Car Park Lake, Pads lake, Sutton 2 and the Mead for the Tench, Bream & the carp but now stick to the less popular waters. I know this addition to the forum is going to get a lot of backs up but I do like to say what i think. This is the main reason I personally would prefer a decent sized lake to be for all fishing and just not Carp at Yately.

[scorpio]

If you read my reply to Alex it is a bit more informative of my feelings towards dedicated Carp waters... Yately is famous for it's carp and therefore attracts a lot of dedicated carp anglers which I am not. I would prefer to fish a lake that isn't crowded with carp anglers as I have had a few bad experiences with some of them. I know you cant tar everybody with the same brush but personally I would prefer to avoid the lakes that are famous for "named" fish, i.e. Car Park lake etc. etc. I am probably speaking for a few other anglers out there too. I am fully aware that Carp fishing is the money spinner when it comes to angling these days and as RMC is a business I can understand why a large preportion of the lakes owned by RMC are dedicated carp waters. It's just a personal opinion and my preference in my fishing outings. As they say what you don't ask for you don't get.

Tony

[scorpio]

Thanks dude, I think I will hit the nursery next year.... I prefer the rivers in the winter months, I may even give it a shot in the spring. It shows how useful this forum is, I would have never thought of trying the nursary... thanks for the advice mate.

Tony

[alex]

hey man you should never let carp anglers push you around most of the people you describe are not dedicated carp anglers if people are going to be like that at yateley I don't think I should help them try and get the copse lake back if I get any abuse like that I will be talking to Ian about sorting out the anglers before he decides what to do with the lakes because that is not on stalking carp is what yateley's all about these people who fish 100 yards plus will be told where to shove there rods and their stlye of carp fishing if I get any abuse. Remeber they are no better than you so don't let them think they can push you around.

[scorpio]

I haven't fished it for a couple of years but when I did I caught some nice chub to 3lb and some decent roach to 1lb.... the chub will feed on anything obviously but I found freelined cheese the best bait. If the fish are not feeding in the river you can always go for the Perch in the lakes using lobs.

Tony

[Rivercarper]

Alex I hate to dive in on your thread but fishing at range is also a skill in carp fishing along with stalking.It also takes along time to master and has it's place on all venues as does stalking.Telling people where to shove their rods may just inflame the situation and make things worse.

Rivercarper Moderator

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Rivercarper on 03/12/00 09:19 PM.</FONT></P>

[alex]

You have a very good point but its a skill I mastered a long time ago I don't mind people who do use it I mean I fish the long range tatic a lot in the winter and most people who have mastered it know how to use so it does not get in other peoples way it is something that is inforced at Tynhersh that you have to think about where your casting and people who miss use the method are throwen off. The main reason people shout abuse at stalkers is because they see them getting fish and their not because they can't be bothered to get out their bivvey and stalk them and belive me it pays off to stalk and not sit behind your rods all weekend because when I fished Horseshoe at the junior fish-in everyone went off for a group photo in winter bay while they were doing that I was up a tree spotting fish I then went on to win that event with 151lb of carp. So I try to get these people to stalk carp the helper I was with at Horseshoe even learnt about surface fishing.

[drizz666]

in places there are roach to 1 1/2 lb good chub bream even CARP to around 10 lb loads of pike etc.but it may takea bit of searching & bank walking before you find them.my best catch from the blackwater was 10 chub a skimmer and a perch all on the pole in less than two hours