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does anyone else have problems with the korda hybrid hooklength there are a few of us who have tied rigs steamed them pull everything tight snap every time. whats going on tried without steaming snap every time any ideas. cheers http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif now on the super skin thats awsome
i stay well clear of it now after my friend snapping off on it,and have heard it happened to lots of other people
markbarrett
29-06-2005, 21:42
never steamed it mate and never had any probs with it at all, rate it very highly
Isnt it a bit stiff for general usage and what situations do you feel it adds to your hooking effiency? Always felt it was a bit too stiff and would lye a bit awkward on a uneven bottom?
spot on mate, feels like its even to tough for marlin fishing....
Goose777
30-06-2005, 09:01
Used it with no problems but use a pair of adjustable wire strippers the strip the coating, have noticed on a couple of occasions if fished in shallow clear water with the sun on it it is very visable as the grey inner seams to reflect the light back through the outer.
Stopped using it a while back. Switched to Kik-Back much happier with that hooklink.
used it since it came out very happy, i think snapping probs could be dependant on knots used i always tie a fig 8 loop and dip it in hot water a pull tight never had a prob and alway test rigs before putting in wallet, what knots are people using who have the probs? i always use knotless knot at stripped end.
i have never heard of it snapping at the knot end of the rig but right in the centre for some weird reason
same knots as you mate i also we also find it snaps in middle at the knot anywhere. been on the super skin and the kik bak carnt fault either
jimchapp
30-06-2005, 17:27
Love the stuff, never had any probs with it. use a twisted fig 8 steamed at one end and knotless knot at hook end. Strong as you like. run the whole hooklength under tension through steam to straighten. Bonzer....
buddyboy
30-06-2005, 17:31
hi i have never had a proble with it snapping,but as goose says seems to glow white in very cleare water.
gudgeonhunter
30-06-2005, 19:13
only ever had a problem with the 15lb snapped of twice!!!!!! http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
we had probs with 15lb and 20lb
i changed from stealth skin, after having no problems which doesnt reli make sense, and first time i used it i had it snap and i was so gutted that i lost that fish so switched back to the faithful stealth. that could have been a one off though?
Fishyman48
01-07-2005, 20:45
Had a mate hook a swan using a link I made for him to try out a couple of months back usin the 15lb. What gave in the end was the korda kwiklink which bent out. I've only had one break at the hook eye and fortunatly this was when testing before use. I have no probs with this material when fishing close to lillies or weed. Not one for the open water I think. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Find it does reflect sunlight and sticks out on clean gravel. Stealth is a far better, more subtle material.
ok then what about there hooks we to have had problems with these we think they are shocking the long shank x's we having bend out on tench and some of us have lost some proper lumps on them to. http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif the wipe gapes the points are [censored] bend over all the time. the size 10's for floater fishing pants weak as you like.
ESP and GARDNER these are the hooks to use http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif
If you do a search Obo, you'll see there's been a lot of discussion about Korda hooks.
I like and use the wide gapes in size 10 and have had no problems with them, landing fish to mid 30's.
Why would you lose big lumps on a hook that apparently 'bends out' on tench?
Surely you would have been 'sharp' enough not to use those hooks if they were 'bending out' ........ http://www.rmcangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
we used them because you try 1 it might bend it happens dont mean they all will but then twice was enough for us so no more. esp and gardner all the way. sorry for taking the thread off course i want to hear more veiws on the hybrid hook link
markbarrett
03-07-2005, 19:56
nt comment on the korda hooks cos i have never used them, its continental boillie hooks or super speci barbel these days, but the ESP raptors, oh my god what a shower of sh.. they are, need 4oz plus to make sure they stay in, they are so blunt you could ride bare [censored] on them!
bigtinca1
04-07-2005, 09:09
I had a very limited try of Steamlink which looks very similar to Hybrid, hook length going in the middle, not at knots.
Hooks , did try Wide gapes and longshanks , landed good fish on both but back on Continentals or stiff riggers now with the usual adjustments.
steamlink is that the 1 from pallatrax
bigtinca1
04-07-2005, 19:14
Yes thats the one.Very visible in clear margins , and parted mid hook length for no apparent reason. This was after steaming in exactly the same manner I might do to straighten a stiff link material with which I have never had a problem.
I had the hybrid snap on me a couple of times when pulling tight on a figue of eight loop knot.
But then i have also had 3x30lb+ fish on it so far this year so im a bit confused on what to think about it.
I have finished the spool now and im thinking twice about buying some more after reading this post.
ive used it for about a month now rather than steaming it i just tie them up then place in a rig wallet streched out for atleast a day before use. Everything ive hooked since using it has been hooked perfectly in the middle of the bottom lip. I tie my rigs with out peeling any thing back other than about 1/4 of an inch piece about an inch away from the hook, just to creating a little bend. Im very impressed and had no problems.
Well not yet anyway.
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If steaming to straighten hooklengths is causing a problem, how about rubbing it across jeans / trousers to create heat from friction. Maybe this would keep the strength ?
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happyhammer
05-07-2005, 11:44
I've been using the Wychwood deception now since way before it was released. The 15ib is awesome and does exactly what it says on the tin. Nice matt clear outer skin and coloured braid, doesn't need steaming and comes in colours to match your lakebed. I've no connections with the company, I'm just a friend of a consultant who asked me to give it a long term go. Take a look at it guys.
Ive been using in for months and have only snapped once and that was due to being snagged , quality gear would definatly recommend
I've been using Steamlink for a few years and have never had a problem with it. The thing to remember with some of these hook links (not sure if Hybrid is the same) is that they will actually break at their stated breaking strain, not 10 lb or so over it like some coated materials. The Dyneema inner is also a relatively low diameter for its breaking strain so isn't going to be as resiliant to coming into contact with abrasive snags as some other materials.
For my own fishing i use the 25 lb version for carp and 15 lb for barbel.
A lot of problems with hooklinks, hooks and the like are as much down to the way the angler uses them as the product itself being faulty. It only takes your rig to be slightly wrong and not hooking them quite right, and you could find your hook bending out regularly through no fault of the hook itself.
Been watching the comments on the Hybrid hooklinks with interest so here is my two-penneth.
Been playing about with the stuff for some time now and generally been quite happy with it. Knots are a problem if you dont steam them during tightening as you cant get them to bed down properly due to the amount of spring in the material.
A few weeks back I had one go at a knot , figure of eight, and nothing was obviously wrong the knot or the material . . . . except . . . I'd earlier had a common about 19 lb and in the heat of the moment put the rig back out after giving it a bit of a visual check. Next fish was a big mirror, one of my targets, and bang . . . . the material failed right on the knot.
Subsequent tests have showed that after applying load to a hooklink, the knots tighten more than they should and they appear to 'strangle' the material. A couple of load tests later they proved to fail at the knots below the expected breaking point. Attributed this to the 'extra' tightening as the knot beds down after being loaded.
Moral is, steam them when tying up to be sure the material is supple enough to bed down properly and always change them after a fish is landed.
No disrespect to Korda or the hybrid material as this failure was probably my own fault, however, I've gone off the Hybrid stuff now, doubt if I'll use it again.
BreamKing
05-07-2005, 14:21
I've been messing about with Kik Bak also, and I have to admit to being less than impressed with both knot strength and abrasion resistance. Still nothing out there to touch snakebite in my opinion.
It's accepted that knots most often break because they are not pulled down fully. I think that with enough pressure the coating of Hybrid or any other coated hooklink will break within the knot, therefore allowing the knot to slip, resulting in a break.
The way I get around this is to strip the coating off at the swivel end as well as by the hook. Tests show a much higher knot strength and I've had no problems. Touch wood!
As for the appearance of Hybrid. Try some marker pens, TFG do some or an arts and crafts shop. I find a couple of shades of brown work very well.
you see i do that alot of the time strip both ends i like the movement it gives but then i use it unstripped to.
Blackwater
07-07-2005, 17:38
not used it, because a very good angler from the Uk showed us that it just snap in the center!!
so not realy confident in the stuff, have been using the Sufix Super Skin and the Heavy Skin to great effect!!
super skin thats what im on now love the stuff.
not about the hybrid but i did once about the longshank x hooks. you see all the longshank hooks got recalled size 8 and 10 but not the x's so rang up saying we have had loads of complaints about the x's size 8 and 10 o no no nothing wrong with them but no no sorry mate there is no problem bye. KORDA sort your customer service out its lifting.
Can't say I have used the stuff. Just one observation though. Why buy a flourocarbon coated hooklink if you have got to then dull it with a marker pen to hide it on the bottom. Does seem to defeat the object of using it in the first place. I will stick to good old Mantis I think. 25lb breaking strain, thin as well as dull brown or green in colour. Works and has never let me down.
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Maybe it's something to with the other material properties, not just the visibilty.
Flouros' have a springiness that most of the others do not possess. Very good for stiff/anti-eject rigs.
Personally dont think there's much between any of the materials available. They all break at knots or otherwise if you apply enough load. Just be aware of the materials limits and use accordingly.
As for visibilty etc . . . . thats a joke, they are all like towrope and we all still catch on them http://www.cemexangling.co.uk/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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