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Sim0n
19-01-2001, 01:26
Can anyone put me straight on the Crucian carp/goldfish hybrid discussion.....I seem to remember a recent debate on the subject and a record crucian submission was refused and deemed to be a goldie cross..... is there a way of telling the difference?....and can you tell from a photo?
I caught a very nice one recently which I may put in the press, but I don't want to make a pratt of myself....any help appreciated...
PaulG
19-01-2001, 09:08
Simon,

How to tell the difference between Crucians and Goldfish

As with all such keys, it is assumed you have one of each in front of you!

C = Crucian, and GF = Goldfish.....hmmm...obviously ;-)

Lateral line scales. C 32-34, Often incomplete, usually fades towards the tail. GF 27-29, continuous.

Dorsal fin outline. C convex, GF concave/straight

Anal fin spine. C lightly serrated, GF strongly serrated

Gill rakers on first gill arch. C 21-32, GF 38-43

Caudal fin. C. Blunt with shallow fork, GF Deeply forked, lobes sometimes
elongate.

Hope this helps,
Paul
Neil
19-01-2001, 10:12
I used to fish a farm reservroir which contained crucians with long fins, were these really fancy goldfish?

Cheapskate angler
Sim0n
19-01-2001, 11:41
...thanks very much...I'm sure I have the real McCoy...
Sim0n
23-01-2001, 10:30
Thanks PaulG, I have blown up the pic of my crucian and can see at least 32 lateral line scales....so I suppose I have the real thing.....it would be a shame to dissect it to see it's gut lining Ian!
Thanks once again.
PaulG
23-01-2001, 10:34
So how big was it then ?????
Sim0n
23-01-2001, 10:35
....3lb 14oz.
scorpio
23-01-2001, 10:40
I always thought Goldfish and Crucians were the same species but variants like Mirror, common & leather carp.... you learn something every day here.

Tony
Sim0n
23-01-2001, 10:52
Sorry Ian, it wasn't unfortunately a Yately or RMC venue fish.
It was a Surrey club water.
Sim0n
23-01-2001, 11:01
....not from a Farnham water either....but from a water in the furthest southern reaches of Surrey....nearly Sussex.
Sim0n
23-01-2001, 17:50
.......Anglers Mail reckon it'll be in there a week tomorrow.....
scorpio
24-01-2001, 07:44
Would the place begin with a letter "P" by any chance because I had some giant crucians from there.

Tony
CarponlineEditor
24-01-2001, 07:58
lol No it wouldnt I saw the fish with my binoculars

It's like one of those quiz games lol
Sim0n
24-01-2001, 08:02
....ah yes quiz show.....nil points Scorps.....

....and Andy.....your're supposed to say you didn't need to use your binoculars!
CarponlineEditor
24-01-2001, 08:06
I did have them the wrong way round lol cos it was soooo huge, Oh and the Crucian too.
PaulG
24-01-2001, 08:30
3 lb 14oz, superb fish.......nice one !
Sim0n
08-02-2001, 13:49
...well it seems no congratulations due....even though I thought I'd made sure I had a true Crucian (i.e. 32+ lateral line scales), it would seem that the Anglers mail have rejected it as a brown Goldfish??
..........maybe I should cut the next one open!? /images/forum/icons/crazy.gif
PaulG
09-02-2001, 08:42
Having not seen the picture I can't add any comment. Whats the record for a brown Goldfish then ? Whatever it is, as it's a species that doesn't grow to massive proportions, your capture is still a nice fish.

Regards,
Paul G