Favourite Carp Rig

[SAMR]

What is your favourite carp Fig for pop-ups and bottom baits?
My favourite is a hinged stiff rig using ESP stiff rig fillament for the popped up section and 25lb snakebite for the boom. I use a stiff rigger hook for this.
For bottom baits it's snakebite stripped back 1-2 inces at either end. I use an ESP G4 Raptor in 5 + 6s
Both rigs are fished with 21/2 - 3 oz leads with leadcore in helicopter style
The rig is perfectly safe as the swivel can easily pass over the 'moors' knot tying it to the mainline so no carp is dragging round leadcore with it.
Keep it real
SAM

[G_CHILD]

snakebite gold,with the bottom 2 inches peeled back by the hook which is a carp r us nailor with knotless knot and shrink tube,defo my fav rig at the moment but it is all to do with whatever your confident with.
keeping em nailed G_CHILD

[CarponlineEditor]

My rigs are mostly pretty simple too. For most of my carping I use a length of 15lb merlin braid to which i attach a size four or six Super Specialist hook via a no knot knot. The end of the knot is tied into a small loop before the hook is tied on. The other end is simply a small barrel swivel. These rigs are usually fished on a running lead set up with just a large rubber bead stpping the lead from touching the swivel. This rig has caught me an awful lot of fish. I use leads with very large rings on the swivel as I sometimes use a three foot length of leadcore to pin the line down onto the bottom near the hook bait.

If however I am fishing at range then I change the set up slightly so that instead of lead core I use some sinking tubing, again around three feet of it. The lead set up changes as well as it is now clipped onto a safety clip to allow it to drop off if anything untoward happens. (eg mainline breaks for some reason)

I have been fooling around with the hinged stiff link for pop ups but as yet I havent been using it long enough to come to any conclusions but it should work fine. There is one rig which I keep for those occasions when there are quite a few smaller carp in the water you are fishing and you only want to go for the larger ones but it is quite difficult to explain without a diagram. Basically you get the hook of your choice and tie on your hook link material as normal. Then you take some stiff rig tubing around an inch and a half long. This tubing has to be rigid and the inner diameter has to be of a suitable size so that you can jam the hooks eye into it.

Taking a needle you take the free end of the hook link and thread it into one end of the tubing and then pull it out half way along the tubing by making a hole in it with the needle. At this stage you dont push the hook into the tubing. Next you take a short length of line. I use a thin braid but it doesnt matter what it is, and you tie that to the hook eye so it just hangs down from the hook. This short length of line is then also threaded into the tubing but this time it goes straight through and out of the other end.

Now you push the hook into the end of the tubing so that you have the shank and hair poking out of one end, the hooklink coming out of the middle of the tubing and the thin braid comining out of the opposite end to the hook. lol With me so far?

Right next you tie a pop up onto the hair, easy that bit. Then you get hold of the thinner braid and holding the hookink up in the air you keep adding non lead split shot onto the thin braid until the whole thing balances like an upside down T

So you now have the hooklink, with the swivel at the top, hanging down straight. The tubing is now balanced at right angles to the hooklink, with the hook and pop up balanced perfectly by the shot on the other end of the tubing.

Blimey what a mouthful lol. Right now the purpose of this rig is so that when it is emmersed in water it sits just like any other pop up rig, with the bait upwards and the shot at the bottom. When a fish comes along however it is so unbalnced as it tries to turn sideways the smaller fish normally drop it but the bigger ones cant seem to get rid of it. I have used it on waters with a lot of singles in and only had fish of mid double figures and up, so I reckon it works a treat. Try it you might be suprised.

Andy

[scorpio]

Sorry about this..... A no. 8 floating Fly line, a 16', 6 - 12lb mono leader and a size 6-2 boron microbarbed hook. I file a groove in the mixer/floater and superglue the bait to the shank of the hook.

I also use a float..... lift method.... same hook.

Other methods I use are a matchstick or a tiny piece of porcupine quill, no shot on the line and wind down until the tip is just visible. All my fishing is done in the margins except with the fly rod.

Tony

[CarponlineEditor]

Blimey I thought we were only going on about normal ledgering rigs. You surely dont want me to go on about floater ones and float fishing and freeling etc etc do you? lol

[alex]

All I use is a Berkly Vanish hooklink with a 12lb braking strain about 5inches long in the summer I use a 2inch hooklink I now use Fox series 2xs for bottom baits and series 5 for pop-ups toped off with a free running lead of about 2.5oz on a Solar run ring with a bullet bead over the swivel or a Korda leadclip with a 2oz lead and to pin it all down I use 3ft of Score leadcore. my latest rig for pop-ups is a copy of the new Kevin Nash Limpet rig.

[jimshelley]

hi,carponline.
bloody hell how did you right all that mate,mind blowing.
be lucky
jim shelley
keeping it british.

[Boz]

It's interesting to see the length of leadcore that people use or advocate - around 3ft!!

Some conversations with the Horton boys, indicates that at least 6ft is required to be effective.

I tend to agree. I'm pretty sure that even a moderately tight line would lift 3ft of leadcore off the bottom? These guys even use lead wire on the hooklengths to pin them down

Cheers

Boz

[Gaffer]

Hi all, Boz, I did a little test in my back garden last summer.
I put the rods a high in the air as poss to simulate them being on the bank.(about 6ft was a high as I could get them)
I then opened my patio doors and layed my rig with 3ft of leadcore on my living room carpet.
I was quite supprised how much weight I had to add on my swingers to tighten the line for my 3ft of leadcore to lift off the carpet.
Now I know my living room carpet isn't exactly a lakebed, but it did make me think.
When I tried the sink-tubing instead of leadcore I had to put even more weight on!
(BTW my garden is 30yrds long.)

As for rigs, for bottom baits I use a combi-link using a size 6 Big Fish Adventure Stinger, Knot-less knotted 18lb E.S.P. Sink-link (2 ins long) which is connected to 25lb Korda IQ by the use of an oval ring.
I then tie a Gizmo connector to the other end of the 25lb IQ as I use the Nash Long-range safety clips with the swivel tied inside the bore.

For Pop-ups I use an adapted version of the Terry Hearn stiff rig, instead of loops I use E.S.P. 'ringed' swivels with 25lb Korda IQ.

All the best,
Gaffer.

[alex]

I use 3ft because I use fluro mainline so I don't need to worry too much and 3ft is what I was told to use due to when you casting long distance. I have switched to using leacore hook lengths after the release of the Kevin Nash verison but I don't fish Horton but from what I have heard you do need have about 6ft of leadcore due to the hardness of the water.

[scorpio]

You would get a totally different result under water, less gravity under there so easier to lift the stuff off the bottom.

Tony

[CarponlineEditor]

You want to hear about the one which includes a piece of elastic Jim. When the carp picks up the bait the lead which weighs about four ounces flies straight at it. lol The ultimate spook rig.

[Gaffer]

I totaly agree with you, but I still think that the mainline could be quite tought before it starts to lift the leadcore enough to worry about.
I also believe that 6ft of leadcore is a bit over the top, but I could be wrong, each to their own. /images/forum/icons/wink.gif

All the best,

<font color=blue>Gaffer</font color=blue>

[carpmanjay]

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[jeames]

What is your favourite carp Fig for pop-ups and bottom baits?
My favourite is a hinged stiff rig using ESP stiff rig fillament for the popped up section and 25lb snakebite for the boom. I use a stiff rigger hook for this.
For bottom baits it's snakebite stripped back 1-2 inces at either end. I use an ESP G4 Raptor in 5 + 6s
Both rigs are fished with 21/2 - 3 oz leads with leadcore in helicopter style
The rig is perfectly safe as the swivel can easily pass over the 'moors' knot tying it to the mainline so no carp is dragging round leadcore with it.
Keep it real
SAM


15lb mono hklink,size 7 hk,baitcraft boilie !! Thats bottom bait sorted.

Amnesia 6 inches, split shot, gardner mugga,size 8.....done me own special way, thats me popper upper !!!

Simple is best,forget all the other b...........s you read in the mags !!! Lol

[dale83]

I use 3ft because I use fluro mainline so I don't need to worry too much and 3ft is what I was told to use due to when you casting long distance. I have switched to using leacore hook lengths after the release of the Kevin Nash verison but I don't fish Horton but from what I have heard you do need have about 6ft of leadcore due to the hardness of the water.

Yo, if ur using flro mainline just ditch the leadcore (which everyone uses) stick a few bits of putty up the line and go straight thro. Less visible and on a slack line will hug lakebed, different too...........

I've had great results doing this on very pressured waters, getting among bigger fish and I swear it's cos I've binned off the core!!!!

[nwjgoode]

Or if you need to cast any distance... Your normal distend fishing mainline, 20ft 30lb flurocarbon leader leadclip, 20lb fluro/braid combi rig for the ultimate in concealment.. Caught me ALOT of fish that setup..

I remember back in the day when snakebite was THE hooklength to have.. Started with snakeskin of corse. The original idea was that you could use multistrand without it tangling.. Never really got the whole coated braid thing.. Just seeks way to blatent.. And a poor attempt at making combi rigs easy to tie..

[kapscarper]

arer any of the previous posters actually still alive?

[SirBwianHorwatioWumplebum]

elasticated combi rig, with silicone tubing pushed over the swivels (braid inside the silicone, the silicone two thirds the length of the braid)

the whole lot is 6" long.


Ive watched fish feeding on this rig, and they find it almost impossible to eject, as the hook is under tension all the time.

[Tim1]

arer any of the previous posters actually still alive?

Uncle is, well it moves. Right my favourite bottom rig is hook soft thingy, nosh clip, and a 30z lead korda obviously, and for a popper i stick a swan on 2 inches from the hook, jobs a gooden as matt hays would say.

[Dave Jones]

How refreshing that we haven’t heard the 4 letter word that rhymes with nod yet. :suspect:

Bottom bait – simple and effective, razor sharp hook with kicker and some silicon on the bend

Pop up – withy when not too weedy, or a jon mac multi rig
:thumbs:

[nwjgoode]

Pop up it's got to be the old faithful 360 swivel rig..

[skullsat]

Sorry about this..... A no. 8 floating Fly line, a 16', 6 - 12lb mono leader and a size 6-2 boron microbarbed hook. I file a groove in the mixer/floater and superglue the bait to the shank of the hook.

I also use a float..... lift method.... same hook.

Other methods I use are a matchstick or a tiny piece of porcupine quill, no shot on the line and wind down until the tip is just visible. All my fishing is done in the margins except with the fly rod.

Tony

:lol: i never thought anyone else still fished like this mate,if i margin fish i'll use the same technique also in the summer if there's any nice floating plant life i.e lillies etc ill use that instead,bait band the stem and use that as a float works a treat with the shy biters,:clap:

[farfromthesun]

How refreshing that we haven’t heard the 4 letter word that rhymes with nod yet. :suspect:



Did they even exist in 2001? :lol:

[Dave Jones]

:o :o Just realised this thread was from yesteryear!

Thats what happens when yr on cemex and should be working :nono2: :lol:

[chubba]

Multi-Rig for pop-ups. But fished Kev Wilson style with the shot on the loop tag end.

Bottom bait is a soft coated braid (Jelly Wire) with a size 6 or 8 Big-T. Simple knotless knot and a bit of silicon to bring the hair 1/2 way down the shank. Coated braid is fished all the way to the hook but the hair is stripped so its soft. Balanced bait and a quick sharpen of the hook completes it!

[Pentonville]

(BTW my garden is 30yrds long.)

Show-off

[leenycarp301]

a standard blowback rig!!bottom bait with plastic corn tip off!

[Onslow]

What is your favourite carp Fig for pop-ups and bottom baits?
My favourite is a hinged stiff rig using ESP stiff rig fillament for the popped up section and 25lb snakebite for the boom. I use a stiff rigger hook for this.
For bottom baits it's snakebite stripped back 1-2 inces at either end. I use an ESP G4 Raptor in 5 + 6s
Both rigs are fished with 21/2 - 3 oz leads with leadcore in helicopter style
The rig is perfectly safe as the swivel can easily pass over the 'moors' knot tying it to the mainline so no carp is dragging round leadcore with it.
Keep it real
SAM

I find the best type of figs aren't ones left around for over 10 years to mature. I much prefer the ones that are being advertised in next months magazines:lol: