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So going to be a TV star now Ian?...........lol.
Rivercarper
17-08-2001, 18:45
Me and the monster will be there Ian.
If I have a close shave, and put on a school cap I'll pretend to be under 14,lol.
Seriously though, great idea, and a chance for angling to show it's appeal to the younger generation.
All the best.
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paulh
Ian,
My youngest brother will be this way on Sunday, so I've said to stay overight incase you need back-up. Hope you got hold of Bob.
I should have keys for the motor too, so I'll pop along and say hello to the bearded one - just a shame it's Sunday, 'cos it's me B-day the following!
Bill.
Craig_Banks
18-08-2001, 12:32
Will the interview be broadcast the same day Ian or shown at a later date?
Congratulations Ian, glad to hear it went well.... shame I couldn't offer my son to you for the day, it just happened to be his mothers day and to drag him away from that would have been instant death.
Tony
Just watched it.
Ian you wore outstaged by the big fellow and his daughter, and a grand job they did for our sport.
Dawn carr was on there was well, not for long through, one question, is she a vegaterian/vegan if not then why is she running on about what us anglers do.
horse
MikeLyddon053698
21-08-2001, 17:55
I too have also just watched it, and also went to the newsround vote on www.bbc.co.uk/newsround to have a look. Unfortunately the votes are about 70/30 against us at the moment, so log on everyone, and get our votes back up.
Good article though,
Mike.
MikeLyddon053698
21-08-2001, 18:20
I have also just logged back onto the newsround website and sent the following e-mail.
I have just watched todays episode of Newsround, and was horrified to see that you had included an article on PETA. Do you not have researchers for your programme.
This group openly supports Violence and a visit to their website shows that they are open backers of the ALA and ALF, these cuddly terrorists who make and deliver bombs that are purely designed to maim and kill innocent people.
Children have been injured by the mail bombs sent out by animal rights terrorists. The most recent example is the 6 year old who was injured in a mail bomb attack a few months ago in the North west.
PETA states they would force people to give up their pets. That's right your dog, cat, horse, hamster or pet fish would have to go. Ask the question ‘Do we want a society run by people who would kick your door in to see if you have a pet cat in the house’?.
PETA recently stated that they that they would like to see Foot and Mouth disease imported into the USA to ‘punish farmers’ there.
They were also behind the "release" of a large number of Mink from a farm a few years back. This so called "good deed" then proceeded to almost wipe out more than one of the indigenous species in that area, only by swift action by people such as the Environment Agency and other concerned parties was a natural disaster prevented.
I used to enjoy watching Newsround with my young nephews and neices, but after todays showing, I will have to think twice about letting them watch your programme again.
Yours,
Mike Lyddon
I must thank Alan Roe, for letting RMC members use his excellent article for the furtherment of angling, and hope that we can stop PETA in its tracks.
Mike
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Kingfisher10
21-08-2001, 19:33
Just voted. Come on everyone the votes are getting closer. Trouble is the BBC seem to be too sophisticated and I can't multiple vote myself
Graeme
...just voted....down to 53% against....
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MikeLyddon053698
21-08-2001, 20:04
Ian, thanks for editing my post and inserting the correct paragraphing and the 'vote' here addition. What am I doing wrong, I have tried the 'p inside <>' trick but to no avail.
Can I ask all of you to go back to where you voted and send an e-mail expressing your disgust at the fact that Peta were given airtime on childrens TV.
Cheers
Alan
just voted
60/40 in our favour.
horse
just voted and its now
60.1 for fishing and 39.9 against us so get your votes going chaps and lasses
andy
andy rooke
were up 66.8 to 33.2 at 16:18
lofte
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Cast my vote, its now 68.2%.
Rivercarper
22-08-2001, 18:27
Here here stuart,letters on their way to the director general of the BBC and Newsround,the Anglersmail plus my MP tonight.Can I suggest the rest of you do the same after reading Stuarts post.Total disgrace they got air time and the newround researchers want a rocket for not doing their jobs
Just done my bit. 69.3% say fishing ISN'T cruel.
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paulh
There seems to be a consensus here that PETA should not have even been allowed to air their views because of their open support for certain terrorist groups. However, I have studied their web site and can find no mention of the ALF or ALA and no mention whatsoever of support for any violent action. The web site is in fact very well assembled and organised. Worryingly impressive in fact !
It is very difficult to win the pain argument on a scientific basis although you can nearly always find a contrary conclusion to any finding in the scientific literature. It is just about impossible to prove (either way of course). What we can win is the debate on the wider good of angling in terms of ecological and environmental issues and actually maintaining the existence of fish habitat, pointing out the work of the ACA along the way. This is the main argument that is going to preserve the future of fish and fisheries.
This is REAL care for fish welfare. The "fish rights" argument is of course completely different, and a much more tricky issue. However, one thing that "sport fishing" ensures, is that there are more fish, living longer and healthier lives in an appropriate environment than would otherwise be the case. This must be seen as a "net gain" and we should sell it. I would therefore like to urge us all to use these kinds of arguments in our responses rather than generalised accusations.
There may well be PETA members who are involved in "direct action", but we have to be a little bit careful about accusing whole organisations of being fanatical lunatics when they do have every right to question what we do. If we think they are wrong then we simply have to use reasoned argument against the claims and point out the vast benefits of the sport.
DOC. "The voice of reason".
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P.S. Does anyone know why I can't put new paragraphs in my posts any more ?
Cheers.
DOC
Just voted, 70/30 in our favour now, come on lads, any more for any more ????!!!!!!!!
Keep it real !!! Keep it British !!!!
E.C.H.O
I emailed the BBC Newsround team and got an as expected response, a personal email back from them explaining why they did allow PETA to be featured, unfortunately there is a disaclaimer at the bottom of the mail saying that I cannot reproduce the mail and it is confidential.
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Tony
Rivercarper
23-08-2001, 18:13
Funnily Tony I've not recieved a reply to my email to them yet mind you it was quite a strong email.
MikeLyddon053698
24-08-2001, 00:07
hmmm, what a strange co-incidence Neil, they haven't replied to my e-mail either.
Indeed Stuart (and Mike), I am now armed with further information on PETA and some of the quotes to which you refer. I can see why everyone is angry about their air-time, however we should not be surprised that the BBC allows them to appear. The said institution is not averse to allowing terrorist groups a voice, and for example, at one time allowed IRA spokesmen to have their say even when it was illegal (by simply turning the sound down and either printing the statements on screen or using an actors voice). I'd like to have heard their arguments though because sometimes it works to let fanatics "hang themselves" so to speak. Does anyone have a video of it that I could borrow ?
DOC "The voice of credulity"
That doesn't sound like cricket Ian !! I thought that you had appeared. Why on earth didn't they let you speak ?
Although I suppose the answer is obvious really....
benzonar
24-08-2001, 11:59
They probably didn't perform a proper critique on Peta and it's dubious connections with terror organisations in case it "scared" the children. They would much rather use the emotional pull of arguing that fish feel pain like the family pet as it provides them with a more digestible "hook" to the story.
Lots of children are interested in animal welfare, and many of them are very vocal in their stance aginst hunting and vivisection. The producers obviously felt that angling was an easy target for their audience, hence they merely skimmed the surface. Peta have been targeting childrens minds for years and they are experts at it, and also playing the whole media game.
Has anyone thought of writing to Mr Paxman and enquiring about the possibility of a Newsnight expose on Peta and it's less savoury antics?
MikeLyddon053698
24-08-2001, 13:07
Doc, I taped the newsround programme the other day, you are welcome to borrow it (if it hasn't been copied over by mistake yet) I will be on the split lake at Yateley this weekend fishing for the cats. Am I right in thinking you are there as well.
CarponlineEditor
24-08-2001, 15:25
I have the Newsround clip with Neil and his awesome tiny on video tape and even though she did a brilliant job I was a little annoyed with the way that the clip was edited to let the PETA representative have her view by sticking her inbetween the actual bits where Neils daughter was talking.
The other thing that I thought was a bit unfair was, the next day on newsround they said they had had hundreds of emails from those saying that angling was a good hobby sort of thing but the one that they read out was one from someone saying that it was cruel. Now that does seem to be biased, one email saying cruel, hundreds saying not cruel, what would you have read out??
Andy
I am afraid Andy we just have to put up with this country being so bloody politically correct. Angling is supported by the general people of this country where as PETA is supported by...................... well I won't go into it on here but you can't be seen to biased against a certain group of people can you now.
Tony
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