ice reds or pro-liver

[bolton]

i,m feeling like a change of bait this year but cant make my mind up between ice reds or pro-liver i know both are good but which is best? by the way this is on a low stocked big water

[Yappi]

They are both exellent baits and as far as Im concerned are probably the best 2 on the market.
Youve got to consider how much of what bait is going in the water and how the fish respond to it. On some places like Horton where a lot of people are using ice reds and catching then it would be a good idea to use them because there has been a lot of pre baiting done for you and the carp see it as a food source, or another water like frimly has seen loads of pro liv which is the going bait so it depends on the water you are fishing and whats going in and the fish are eating regularly.
I would say both baits are as good as each other. If you want tails ups number you can call them on 020 88938000.
They are looking for field testers for certain places so if you give them a bell they could give you a good deal.
If you do choose Tails up then I recomend the groundbait too- exellent stuff just ask Jim shelly what hes caught over the stuff!
Nuff Said
Mike

[bolton]

cheers yappi,the water in question has probably seen little of either,i must admit a leaning towards pro-liver because of jim shelleys success on such waters(top man) but ice reds are also supposed to be great!!

[CarponlineEditor]

I have fished with the Ice reds for the last couple of seasons and have been amazed at how many PBs I have broken but as Jim says the choice is yours. You must decide which one you will feel most confident with and then stick to it. Dont choose one and then if not suceeding straight away start to dither about it. They are both apparently very good baits so be confident whichever one you choose.

All the best. Andy

[bolton]

cheers lads,i think i will end up going in with pro-liver after reading jims articles in big carp over again thats what it will be

[scorpio]

Why don't you go with both? Best of both worlds then.

Tony

[scorpio]

I don't use boilies at all, I just thought that if he was undicideded which to use he should go for both... if he went for one and had a bad season he will only wish he had gone for the other. Is it impracticle to use 2 differnet baits?

Tony

[CarponlineEditor]

Normally one would decide on one quality bait and stick with it through thick and thin. The longer you use a bait normally if it is a good one then the better results you should get.

From my experience the longer I use a bait on a water the better my results have been. If you can find out if the bait you want to use has already been put into the water you want to fish then all the better as the fish have seen it already and you wont need to prebait as much.

To some of us bait costs a lot of money and if we can cut down on these costs then so much the better. It is better for a few of you to use the same bait together so that it costs less per person. I used to worry about if a mate caught a certain fish on the bait then maybe it wouldnt get caught on it agauin but I have been proved wrong time and time again.

Keep it going in.

Andy

[alex]

Why don't you try somthing different somthing that has never been put in the water as many have said to me why follow a trend when you can start your own its probably because I'm not a big fan of both the companies but if I had to choose I would go with Tails up but try a selection you'll find the fish react differently some will take liver others shellfish but I would choose Yateley angling center's ASAP if you want to try somthing new belive me you won't use any other bait once you've used ASAP.

[Clem]

Isnt this stuff made with JB gear?

[Yappi]

Yes, any ideas what it stands for?
Alar salar and plum, thats what I thik and I think the base is either ashlea pool or bio shellfish.

[Yappi]

Jim I saw your post in ct about Darenth, I totally agrre with you and if I wasnt banned I would give those *******s a whole load of stick. Anyway You say you have stopped sending photos in, but wont that be bad for keeping it british because now all the magazines are going to be dominated by noddys holding frenchies.
KEEP IT REAL
Mike

[Clem]

no idea though I 'feel' it's liver based can't say why

[jimrawcliffe]

Hi there guys and gals. This is my first entry onto this illustrious site and I must say I'm extremely flattered to have so many people discussing something I designed and manufacture, namely Protavit Liver. It's very interesting to hear so many varied view points but I should first like to reply to Cash's point about Protavit Liver needing to be introduced in vast quantities before it will perform. Forgive me contradicting you Richard but that's not the case at all. Protavit Liver is possibly one of the most instant baits on the market. And what's more it's caught fish in virtually every lake in the country not to mention venues abroad. It's an extremely high spec bait and it's track record on a percentage basis must surely make it one of the best if not the most effective bait ever. Now I have to be careful here because as you all know I have a vested interest in promoting my own products. I do blow my own trumpet from time to time but I'm very proud of what we make. That extends to all of our products. I can assure you that we are not in this business for the money.
The point about using Carp Company bait at Horton is a good one. There has been plenty of it going in over the years and so the prebaiting thing has been done for you. The bait has a very good track record and I have a great deal of respect for their products. It's a good point to consider. On the other hand Simon Davey has gone down there and been virtually the only one on Protavit Liver and has in no uncertain terms taken the place apart single handed! This is a good example of why I have no doubts that Pro Liver can compete under virtually any conditions and situation
If anyone would like to discuss using Protavit Liver on their water this year please call us at Tails Up on 020 8893 800
Best of luck for the coming season with whatever you choose
Jim Rawcliffe

[scorpio]

Is there a discount for RMC members? /images/forum/icons/smile.gif

Tony

[jimshelley]

hi mr rawcliffe,
told you its good fun on here.nice one mate keep up the good work your adopted son .
JIM SHELLEY
keekping it british.

[CarponlineEditor]

I am not really sure about the eel problem but I have been using the Ice red for a couple of years now and there are quite a few eels in one of the waters ive been fishing and I havent yet caught one on them.

Andy

[jimrawcliffe]

Hello son, Hello Ian, Hello Cash, and Hello to the rest of you guys. Sorry I didn't reply sooner but it's taken me a while to realise there were two pages uuuuuuuuuuuggghhhh. It comes with having four kids and being old.
Looks like some of the other guys don't appreciate my prescence here. Mind you they'll know when I'm in sales mode! This aint advertising boys it's playful fun.
Jim Rawcliffe

[jimshelley]

hi MR RAWCLIFFE,
can you please tell me why pro.liver is so excellent.
be lucky mate.
jim shelley
keeping it british.

[CarponlineEditor]

lol blimey advertising on RMC. Whatever next? I have to say that whether you are a confirmed bait firm fan whether it be Tails up or any other such as Carp Company which I dont mind saying I have been for years now it is important to use that which you have confidence in. On certain occasions you can get this confidence by chatting to other anglers on the water you are intending to fish. I am not saying that a bait has to be readily established on a water before you start fishing but if we are honest about it we would agree that it is better if it has been around for a while so that you know for sure that the fish will like it.

For example if you are going to fish a lake and you find out that the year before anglers using brand x caught most of the carp then it stands to reason that those fish liked that bait. Now even if you have a bait that catches from the off I would still be totally confident on catching if i used brand x as well.

That said it is obvious if you have a really good bait that does work from the start then you should be confident in using that also but your confidence will grow as you go on. For example hemp is a good bait from the off and most of us know this. But until you have done a couple of sessions and caught some carp then there is always that little bit of doubt in your head. If you went on a water where you knew a lot of fish had come out to the hemp and tiger nut method then you would obviously be very confident of this working again. Blimey Andys waffling again lol

Cheers, Andy

[sam]

i feel happy using both ice reds and protavit shellfish. not having really tried the liver, i will stick to what i feel confident with.

i too will be using either or both on horton next year (with a bit of luck) having caught 20's from kingsmead on both baits this season.

protavit shellfish in 10mm would be nice!

**sam**

[jimrawcliffe]

Hi Sam
Sorry mate not at the moment. Try Dave at the Bait company or the other option of course is to break up bigger bait into smaller pieces
Regards
Jim

[bolton]

thanks for all the advice from everybody its without a doubt going to be pro -liver,i must say its good to see the owner of the company coming onto the forum as he has the sign of a man confident of his wares,i,ll give you a call next week jim if thats ok to see if you can give myself and my buds a good deal but if not we will be using it anyway!

[Yappi]

Yeah Jim I wouldnt mind some 10mms? Any chance in the near future?

[jimrawcliffe]

Hi Bolton and thanks
I've just been made to stand in the corner by teacher Mr. Ed (thats's the editor not the talking horse)
Apparently I've been adertising and I got a slapped wrist. I'm not allowed to promote our products even though I'm surely the best to do it. In all fairness I'm sure most of you are fed up with ads so I do understand his point.
To be fair I struggle to find time to do this so if anyone wants to talk to us you have to e mail on the private or pick up the dog and call.
Love to all
Jim Rawcliffe

[Yappi]

Just got back from fishiing today. Half the lake was iced over and to add to that most of the fancied swims were taken. I was fishing a small day ticket water local to me in the hope of a double if I was lucky.
We got to the lake and found a swim we fancied as a sort of last resort swim.
I changed my mind and fished only one rod for carp and 1 for pike which I hoped might be the only type of fish hungry enough to feed in such cold whether.
I used a glugged pro liver on the carp rod and cast it behind a big patch of ice about 30 yards out, I had to pull my line round the side of the ice to sink it.
Nobody on the lake had seen so much as a roach fart which didnt surprise me. A bit later on to my surprise I had a belter which I somehow missed then 10 minutes later my mate had a low double common on the pro livers, followed by a similar fish from me.
Ill never doupt the pro livers effectiveness in winter!
Also that was a water which Im pretty sure had never seen any of these baits before so it proved that they are a good bait without pre baiting.

[jimrawcliffe]

Cool runnings Mr Welch Boss.
No problem. Me is avin a bit ofa jibe. It me umour ya naw.
Rock it up now.
Check ya layta
Boss
PS Heights to aall de bruthers

[dolly]

Pro-liver.
Nothing else to say.

Dave.

[jimshelley]

hi,
iam filling HORTON in this close season.doing a mega baiting plan this time on horton.
cheers
jim shelley
keeping it british.

[jimshelley]

Post deleted by Billyo

[jimshelley]

SORRY ABOUT THE THREE REPLIES,IAM GETTING TO EXCITED.
JIM SHELLEY.

[jimshelley]

hi mate,
i thought you might say that ,yes i do .iam thinking of hitting HORTON with a massive baiting hit over a considerable amount of time,"if your let me"ian.i dont really want to let out exactly wot iam going to do,ive got to keep some secrets mate.
cheers
jim shelley
keeping it british.

[jimshelley]

STEVE,
mate your really letting the secrets out please stop ,wots going on then.where are you fishing then ?.
jim shelley
keeping it british.

[jimshelley]

hi billyo,
god thats a first ive been deleted ,only a laugh mate.
jim shelley
keeping it totally british.

[Yappi]

God help those horton fish!
Jim have you seen the woodcarving linear? What a fish that is, look forward to seeing your picys of it!