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What bait do you have most confidence fishing with?
Richworth Multi-plex.A proven winner.
Also my homemade freshwater mussel boilies in the warmer months.
Check out the new Trigga.....it looks like it's going to take the carp world apart.
Smarts
CarponlineEditor
03-01-2001, 18:11
I am afraid i have to agree with above. I have broken pb after pb over the last two seasons using the Carp Company Caviar and Cranberry boilies.
But saying that I have caught more on bread and chum mixers.
There is one bait I trust to catch fish and thats chum mixers but for bottom baits you can't go wrong with Yateleys ASAP this bait has to be one of the best baits I have used as for Carp Company I have never had any luck with the and I'm the only person I know who can't catch on them its mainly because I was a Mainline fan at the time I was using them but over the past year I hate all their baits apart from Active-8 my number two bait is Richworth's Multiplex when it first came out I hated it but since my uncle is mates with the guys at Richworth's he told me what was in the bait I could not wait to stock up on it. For pop-ups nothing in my opinon beats the Solar perfect pop ups in Solar club mix flavor.
There is only one perfect pop-up and that's Ian Russell's at HEATHROW BAIT SERVICES. You will not find a better pop-up. By far one of if not the best bait rolling company out there. Check his new web site up and running at the end of the week. www.heathrowbaitservices.com.
Keep it real.
Cash
CarponlineEditor
03-01-2001, 22:34
I would like to add here that whatever bait you are using you must stick it out. It is no good going fishing with a new bait whatever it is and after a few sessions thinking that it is no good. Sometimes, especially if the bait has not been introduced into the water you are fishing before it can take sometime for the fish to get on it. But when they do you could have a brilliant season. I have fished waters before where I am thinking of changing my bait because I have not done very well, but then suddenly the whole thing has changed and I have caught loads. It all boils down to what you the angler is confident in not what someone else tells you is good.
A few years ago I fished with the famous Scopex boilies which nearly everyone caught on. Could I catch using it? Not a blooming tench. I know the bait is good but I dont use it. I spent two years trying to catch with those on at least one rod and never caught one carp.
Find a bait that you are confident in and then worry about things like location, location, rigs, location, keeping warm, location, oh and location. lol
Andy
its north and south red x its caught a 20+ on every water its been used ,my best season and its still catching superd
Assain-8 is why I hate Mainline over the year at Tynhersh over 100 kilos have been fed in it is now hard to get a take on any other bait on the water apart from Tails up because when they introduced Assain-8 they put Tails up in with it the only other bait is Solar because it has been going in for years untill recently when my mate went off to fish Kingsmead. I don't hate all of Mainlines bait Active-8 has played a strong part in my carp fishing but there are many stories where Active-8 and Assain-8 have caused people to blank on many waters so think about the amount of bait you put in don't use it because every one else is or because its new out. You are wrong about the pop ups Solar pop ups are a great and so are Mistral but its all down to your opinon.
i have to agree with ian (but i would say that!), this bait has the potential to be huge. my success has been limited so far, but i would use this bait over anything else on the market at the moment.
it inspires confidence...
alex
i fail to see the logic here. if the bait has been going in regularly (and 100kg is not a huge amount), and the fish are eating it regularly, it can only be beneficial. if the bait has food and nutritional properties, it will become part of their diet. they will eat far more free bait than hookbait.
why do you think anglers on prototype baits seem to take waters apart? it is because there are numerous anglers heaving in the same bait on a regular basis.
if you know what the fish will readily accept as food, you are halfway there...
I just cannot believe that someone would say that 100kg of bait is not that much..... surley that amount of bait cannot do the water any good if the fish don't like it. If every angler on a water put in 100kg I dread to think what it would do to the fish and water.... lakes which are not heavily fished still hold large fish and they feed on natural food.... what if you purchased a "bad batch"...... I am stunned
Tony
CarponlineEditor
04-01-2001, 20:46
I think that probably was the amount put in over a longer period of time by more than one angler. Or i hope it was anyhow lol. Cos if you put that lot in in one go there would be a new boily bar to fish on.
100kg would have been fed in over time, not in one go.
it depends on the quality of the bait, the size of the water, the stocking level, whether the fish feed on the bait, other species etc etc
on a 30 acre lake with a reasonable head of fish (all species) and a bait i make myself (so i know exactly what is in it) i have no problem feeding in 100kg over time. indeed, so far this season i would say that along with particles, we would have put out twice that quantity. all the time i catch on it and it is being eaten, i will stick with it.
i have seen a thirty pound carp get its head down and feed. it is a sight to behold - the ferocity with which they can feed is eyeopening...
Let me work this out..... you say 200kg in a season, 30 acre lake, maybe 20 regular anglers thats 4000kg of bait that is 133kg per acre? I just hope this water you are illustrating has a real good head of fish, now I can see why some carp look like "gazza's" mate 7 bellies whoever. If a fish overfeeds does it do it any harm? I did hear of some people complaing about frequent fish deaths recently, I just didn't realise how much you guys put in, I think I may decide to buy some boilies crush them and make a paste out of them.
Tony
200kg is between three of us, and over a period of six months to a year. this includes particle baits, which get eaten by silver fish, monster bream, tench as well as carp. the boilies i make are quick breakdown, so after a period of 24 hours they are essentially groundbait. this is then of a size which can be eaten by anything that swims. it is a quality bait that i know gets eaten.
using your figures - 4000kgs of bait equals 133kg per acre per year. that is 2.5kg per acre per week, or 350g per acre per day. imagine there was no natural food in the lake, with even just a reasonable head of fish, would this be enough for survival...?
rhornegold
05-01-2001, 21:47
My advice would be to make freinds with a good bait firm, not one that relies on the preoccupation princible.
There are some very good lads out there who are willing to help .
In the last 10yrs I have used M Wilmotts, Premier and now DT because they are local to where I live, all of them know far more about bait than I will ever know and use top class ingredients.
Bob Hornegold
This bait was put in at 30kg a time this went on for weeks that was the amount for the summer I don't how much has been put in by now the thing is that people still can't get a take even when using the bait there is no way that is healthy for a lake why do you think Old Bury Hill put a boilie ban on in the summer the thing is we would like to see the carp pick up the baits we use and not just Assain-8 I hate to think what is going to happen when Kevin Nash releases his new bait you don't need to put lots in to catch and I wish people would remember that.
For carp has to be mixers and for anything else bread flake, I have never used a boilie,
Tony
I like active 8 but to spice it up a bit i've had alot of luck adding 3ml per lb of solar squid and octopus especially on waters that have seen alot of it.
A black dog nobbler fished on a floating line with a 20 foot leader /images/forum/icons/laugh.gif
Tony
My bait for 2000 was assasin 8, all year round and floating trout pellet in the warmer months. Floating pellet is such an underestimated bait and I rate them so much higher than chumies. On one local lake me and a mate were fishing on top together and a couple of other people were also doing the same. we caught 1 20+ each and a few nice doubles. They werent catching much on chummies so we lent them about half a kilo of pellets they then caught a couple of fish almost instantly.
If Im stalking I always like to have some betaine pellets with me(3mm) they are the dog's especially with a bit of hemp-awsome!
Ian russels pop ups are also briliant as people have alredy mentioned.
Anyway going back to the debate on the amount of bait put in, I know Jim Shelly put around 575kilos (yes thats right 575k) of dry mix into wraysbury and his catches speak for themselves.
I also know a few peple on the match lake who have put about 150k of bait in and have caught 90%of the lakes stock between 4of them. So It shows that you can introduce a lot of bait but it would be stupid to put it all in in 1 go. Think about the situation before you dump loads of bait in.
If you want a bait for a water that has seen loads of fishmeals (and lets face it thats proberly 90% of them) then there is no better bait than a liver mix. Its taken many waters apart for me.
Paulm
Do you mean tails up protovit liver? Ill be using that this season.
I found an even better bait than floating trout pellet I used some large pond pellet which are used for Koi Carp these supply the fish with a heathy balence of food which they need to help them grow these baits shocked a mate of mine at Twynersh when we were stalking a few fish in a bay we started off using chum mixers but the fish were taking 1 out of 10 every ten minutes so we tried some of my fish pellets we put out 10 and in seconds they were gone this went on for 2-3 hours by the end of the day we had around three thirties and thirty smaller fish between 20lb-29lb I now use these for all my suface fishing.
Yappi,
Yes the protovit is one of them, but there are many more.
Check out John Bakers new hydro liver mix. He's found a new way of treating it with out using heat.!!
Paulm
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